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The USFG should universalizeits health care system.

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Started: 1/3/2008 Category: Health
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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tim.borgerson

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On September 11th 3,000 Americans were killed. Since then we have pursued the killers to the fullest extent, essentially stopping at no means to avenge their deaths. But as this is going on, it tends to be neglect that 18,000 people in the US die deaths that could be prevented if they were better insured, yet practically nothing is being done about it. It is because of this that I believe action should be taken to provide healthcare through the government to everyone in the United States.

The United States ranks at the top of the list in terms of quality of health care, but we rank 30th (tied with fiji) in terms of how available it is to the general populous. Over 40 million people in the US are under insured. In recent years we have spent about 16% of our GDp on healthcare, about twice as much as Japan and Sweden (both who have a universal system) and they visit the doctor an average of four times more per year than Americans. Basically what I'm leading into is that the privatized system in the US is MORE bureaucratic than most socialized government systems. Want more proof? Since the 1970s the growth of the number of medical administrators has exceedingly surpassed that of doctors and nurses, simply because all of the red tape that must be dealt with. Furthermore in the privatized system we face over utilization and underutilization. Wealthy people with all inclusive policies go get a CAT scan when they have a headache, where poorer people go to the hospital only when they really need to (they often go to the emergency room which is EXTREMELY expensive). The problem with this is that one often could have easily prevented the ailment with a doctors guidance but now it is too late and one has to undergo an expensive procedure. Underutilization occurs because now healthcare is run as a business and business means competition. Fore example, lets say a small region has two hospitals and one hospital has a CAT scan. While this one CAT scan may be enough to serve the entire region, the other hospital has to purchase its own CAT scan in order to compete, thus wasting money. This can be prevented if the government bypasses this inefficiency with its own health insurance system.

The system in the status quo is also inherently immoral. Currently healthcare in the US is regarded as a privilege when is it should be a right. Now, people are split into two groups: thoes who can afford healthcare and those who cant. The people in the second group are being dehumanized because they are being separated into this other group. Essentially they are being told that they are not worthy of such a right because they are poor. Even if they do have medicaid, the quality of their healthcare is significantly less. This situation is reminiscent of poll taxes that deprived poor people the right to vote because they could not afford the tax. Under the status quo we are simply widening the gap between social classes.

The Economy also suffers because of our outrageous system. (for this argument I'm going to make a list just for the sake of time)

High HC costs is the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US.

It motivates outsourcing of well paying jobs because in the US, corporations have to deal with high healthcare costs, where in countries like Japan and Canada they do not.

Small businesses, the backbone of the American economy will be more competitive because they will not have to compete with large corporations that can afford to offer healthcare.

A 20 thousand dollar car costs 17 thousand in an economy with universal healthcare because they don't have to pay healthcare. Large American companies are going to be more competitive.

It will alleviate tensions between corps and unions, for healthcare is one of the biggest gaps between them. This leads to fewer strikes and bad PR.

People with health insurance are 30 percent more productive at work.
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