The United Methodist Church Should Recognize Gay Marriage
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I have been on hiatus due to my senior year of high school so I am sorry. I will be more active.
It was hard to put this debate in religion as it could also be political too.
First round=acceptance and opening statements.
I will be arguing that the United Methodist Church should not allow/recognize gay marriage.
Good luck, let"s have a good debate together.
My argument will be rather simple in its approach:
1) The Untied Methodist Church upholds the doctrine of the classical scriptural cannon according to Damasine Council of Rome and third Council of Carthage.
2) Scripture clearly teaches that marriage is between a man and a women, and any other sexual relationship should not be allowed in the church.
3) Therefore, a gay "marriage" should not be recognized in the church, and the members of the United Methodist Church should not be in such a union.
On the United Methodist webpage they say "We believe that the Bible is God"s Word and is the primary authority for our faith and practice." So clearly Methodist theology will bend around the words of scripture.
(* http://www.umc.org... )
Now please note when I am arguing I am specifically arguing from the point of view of scripture. Also I am not arguing that people who are not members of the Christian faith have to uphold these commands, because Paul is rather clear that unbelievers in Christ should be expected to act exactly like people who do not have God. However Paul when writing to the believers in Corinth said
"9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
-1 Corinthians 6: 9-11
So, clearly homosexuality is condemned that this sexual behavior is condemned, but also Jesus has a very specific idea of marriage.
" 4 "Haven"t you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator "made them male and female, 5 and said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate." Matthew 19 4-6
Jesus sees the union of a man and a women as the sacred bond which follows the old testament tradition. And any other sexual interaction, including gay marriage is considered a sin.
Now, since the United Methodist Church wants to uphold their scriptural beliefs, they do not want to allow a person fully celebrating a sinful life (according to scripture) to be a part of their church body, and will not support and say it is completely natural and fine.
I will continue on with the implications and the legality in the rebuttal along with any significant claims made by my friend Kylar.
My opening point/rebuttals for this debate are as follows.
Point 1/Refutation 1
My good friend is complete accurate in his point here. The United Methodist Church's interpretations of the Holy Bible would clearly define all that it stands for. I see no need to question my friend on this one.
Refutation 2/Point 2
The fact that Jesus Christ himself condemned gay marriage should be the cornerstone of the United Methodist Church's manifesto on gay marriage.
Refutation 3/Point 3
My worthy opponent and friend puts this statement in here very cleverly and it is a good statement. The UMC is yes of the mindset that "homosexuality is not compatible with Christian teaching." This is true, and yet, with the UMC having more and more issues internally with gay marriage, one has to wonder if a vote will be held on recognition of gay marriage.
I will point out that the Episcopal Church USA, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, United Church of Christ and the Presbyterian Church USA have all recognized gay marriage, and so naturally one would expect the other churches to follow suit. But keep in mind this, the Presbyterian Church USA is splitting a lot over gay marriage after they recognized it. Think carefully, do we want another church split, and in particular, in the second largest protestant denomination in the United States of America?
I ask my friend to take these kind points into account.
I promise again to be serious but courteous always and always gentle in this debate, good luck my friend, back to you.
tanner_1230 forfeited this round.
I will post round III briefly.
Gay marriage was not ordained in the word of God.
If the UMC is going to properly uphold the word of God, they must not recognize gay marriage.
Thank you, and thank you for the debate.
First off I am generally confused:
It seems I have misread the original prompt and thus forfeit this debate by the fact I cannot think of any legal or religious reason against Mr. Kylar's position. I am extremely sorry for misunderstanding you and would like to kindly ask you attempt this debate again with someone against your position.
I understand completely his reasons for stepping out, and approve it.
waiving the last 2 rounds
tanner_1230 forfeited this round.
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