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The United States Federal Government Should Implement The Islamic Shariah In The United States

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Started: 12/22/2007 Category: Religion
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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raheelsoh

Pro

Results achieved when Islamic Shariah Implemented
America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries in the world. Unfortunately it also has one of the highest rates of crime, theft, and robbery. Suppose the Islamic shariah is implemented in America i.e. every rich person gives Zakaat ( 2.5% of his savings in charity above 85 grams of gold every lunar year), and every convicted robber has his or her hands chopped off as a punishment. Will the rate of theft and robbery in America increase, remain same or decrease? Naturally it will decrease. Moreover the existence of such a stringent law would discourage many a potential robber.

I agree that the amount of theft that takes place in the world today is so tremendous that if you chop off the hands of all the thieves, there will be tens of thousands of people whose hands will be chopped off. The point here is that the moment you implement this law the rate of theft will decline immediately. The potential robber would give it a serious thought before jeopardizing his limbs. The mere thought of the punishment itself will discourage majority of the robbers. There will barely be a few who would rob. Hence only a few person's hands would be chopped off but millions would live peacefully without fear of being robbed.

Islamic Shariah is therefore practical, and achieves results.

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Example: Islam prohibits the molestation and rape of women. It enjoins hijaab and prescribes capital punishment for a convicted rapist.
Islam prescribes method of eliminating molestation and rape
All the major religions declare the molestation and rape of women as grave sins. Islam teaches the same. What then is the difference between Islam and the other religions? The difference lies in the fact that Islam does not merely preach respect for women, or abhor molestation and rape as serious crimes, but also gives clear guidance as to how society can eliminate such crimes.

Hijaab for men
Islam has a system of hijaab. The Glorious Qur'an first mentions hijaab for the men and then for the women. Hijaab for the men is mentioned in the following verse:
"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."
[Al-Qur'an 24:30]

The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.

Hijaab for women
Hijaab for women is mentioned in the following verse:
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons...."

[Al-Qur'an 24:31]

The extent of hijaab for a woman is that her complete body should be covered. The only part that can be seen, are the face and the hands up to the wrists. If they wish to cover, they can even cover these parts of the body. However some Islamic scholars insist that even the face should be covered.

Hijaab prevents molestation
The reason why Allah has prescribed Hijaab for the women is given in the Qur'an in the folowing verse of Surah Al-Ahzab:
"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women,that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, most Merciful."

[Al-Qur'an 33:59]

The Qur'an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women this would prevent them from being molested.

Example of twin sisters
Suppose two sisters who are twins and who are equally beautiful, walk down a street. One of them is wearing the Islamic Hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered except for the face and the hands up to the wrists, and the other twin is wearing a mini skirt or shorts. Around the corner there is a hooligan who is waiting for an opportunity to tease a girl. Who will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the mini skirt or shorts? Dresses that expose more than they conceal, are an indirect temptation to the opposite sex for teasing, molestation and rape. The Qur'an rightly says that the hijaab prevents women from being molested.

Capital punishment for rapist
The Islamic shariah prescribes capital punishment for a convicted rapist. The non-Muslim may be horrified at such a stringent punishment in this age. Many accuse Islam of being ruthless and barbaric. I have asked a common question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose God-forbid, some one rapes your wife, your mother or your sister and you are made the judge. The rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said, "we would put him to death." Some went to the extent of saying, "we would torture him to death", If your wife or your mother is raped you want the rapist to be put to death. But if someone else's wife or mother is raped, capital punishment is a barbaric law. Why the double standards?

U.S.A. has one of the highest rate of Rape
The United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. An F.B.I report in the year 1990 says that 1,02,555 cases of rape were reported. It further says that only 16% of the cases of rapes are reported. Thus, in order to know the actual number of rapes that took place in 1990, the reported figure should be multiplied by 6.25. We get a total of 6,40,968 rape cases that took place in the year 1990. If the total is divided by 365 the number of days in a year, we get an average of 1,756 rape incidents everyday.
Later another report said that an average of 1900 cases of rape are committed in U.S.A every day. According to National Crime Victimization Survey Bureau of Justice Statistics (U. S. Dept. of Justice) in 1996 alone 3,07,000 cases of rape were reported. Only 31% of the actual cases of rape were reported. Thus, 3,07,000 X 3.226 = 9,90,322 rapes took place in 1996. That is, an average of 2,713 cases of rape took place everyday in America in 1996. Every 32 seconds one rape is taking place in America. Maybe American rapists got bolder. The FBI report of 1990 continues and says that out of the rape cases that were reported only 10% of the rapist were arrested, that is only 1.6% of the actual rapes committed. Out of those arrested, 50% were let free before the trial. This would mean that only 0.8% of the rapists faced a trial. In other words if a person commits 125 rapes the
SolaGratia

Con

Raheelso, instituting Shariah law in the United States would undermine everything our country stands for.

1. Shariah Law is distinctly Muslim, and instituting it would infringe on others' rights to believe as they choose. Imagine instituting the Spanish Inquisition in Saudi Arabia.

2. Cutting off the hands of criminals is cruel and unusual punishment.

3. Your argument that hijab would reduce rape is interesting, but most rapes are perpetrated by someone who knows the victim previously--it is not a spur-of-the-moment decision, in other words. The clothing of the victim does not matter, and again, absolute capital punishment for rapists in every case is cruel and unusual.

4. Your Zakaat is also an interesting idea. However, Americans give charitably more than any nation in the world already, without being forced. The great thing about charity is that it is unconditional. With Zakaat, only those who are willing would be giving charitably--and would have presumably done it without Zakaat. And to those who weren't willing, it would be nothing but a tax. And we have those already.

5. Yes, America's rape rate is high. That is a tragedy, and something we should be working to fix. However, Shariah is not the answer. I notice that you don't give any rape statistics for countries WITH Shariah law. It would be interesting to see how they compare. However, under a law where women have been IMPRISONED for being raped--they wore the wrong clothes, you see, and rode with the wrong men; so it was their fault. Right.

Shariah law is unjust. More important, however, it is un-American. This law should NEVER be instituted in America.
Debate Round No. 1
raheelsoh

Pro

Chopping off the hands as punishment for robbery
Islam prescribes chopping off the hands of the convicted robber. The Glorious Qur'an says in Surah Maidah:
"As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands:a punishment by way
of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power, full of wisdom."
[ Al-Qur'an 5:38]
The non-Muslim may say, "Chopping off the hands in this 20th century. Islam is a barbaric and ruthless religion!"
(Which Is What Exactly You Said)
Zakat Argument-I Agree With You
Rape-Arguement-Islam prescribes method of eliminating molestation and rape
All the major religions declare the molestation and rape of women as grave sins. Islam teaches the same. What then is the difference between Islam and the other religions? The difference lies in the fact that Islam does not merely preach respect for women, or abhor molestation and rape as serious crimes, but also gives clear guidance as to how society can eliminate such crimes
Islam has Practical Solutions for the Problems of Mankind
Islam is the best way of life because its teachings are not doctrinaire rhetoric but practical solutions for the problems of mankind. Islam achieves results both at the individual and collective levels. Islam is the best way of life because it is a practical, universal religion not confined to any ethnic group or nationality
SolaGratia

Con

My cruelty argument still stands. Present a real, non-Quranic argument on that score and I will debate it.

Islam is only barbaric and ruthless when it inflicts its laws on unbelievers. America is not Muslim; therefore the laws here would be barbaric and ruthless.

By the way, this is the 21st Century, not the 20th, but you seems to think it's the 14th.

My original argument still stands: SHARIAH LAW WOULD BE UTTERLY UNJUST IN AMERICA AND IT WOULD UNDERMINE EVERYTHING THIS COUNTRY STAND FOR.

You have not presented any new arguments, so there is nothing more I can say.

If you can covert America to Islam, then perhaps you will be getting somewhere, but until then I don't think what you advocate is even conceivable possible.
Debate Round No. 2
raheelsoh

Pro

I have read comments and I am not doing a good job of presenting arguments.
I will give different topics that are prevalent in the world today that the con must address:
Alcohol-The Quran Prohibits
"O ye who believe!
Intoxicants and Gambling,
(Dedication of) stones,
And (divination by) arrows,
Are an Abomination –
Of Satan's handiwork;
Eschew such (abomination),
That ye may prosper."
[Al-Qur'an 5:90

Implementing The Islamic Shariah will decrease The Number Of Drunk Driving Accidents Which Is The Number 1 Killer Of Teens,IT WILL SAVE LIVES. IT WILL ALSO DECREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE LUNG CANCER.
Terrorism-Terrorism Is NOT allowed in Islam
If The Islamic Shariah Is Implemented It Will Solve The Violence In Iraq (If you saw the Osama Bin Laden video that released recently you know what I am talking about, he said "If you want the violence in Iraq to stop, convert to Islam)
Smoking-is not allowed in Islam
Proof for the prohibition of smoking:

Smoking did not exist in the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) but our great religion of Islam has laid down general principles from which many laws are derived. From these principles, Muslim scholars have come to the conclusion that smoking is prohibited (Haram).

In the Qur'an, we read: "be not cast by your own hands to ruin; and do good. Lo! Allah loveth the beneficent." (Al-Baqarah:195). Smoking causes fatal sicknesses, for example, lung cancer, tuberculosis, etc.

In another verse, Almighty Allah says: "And do not kill yourselves." (An-Nisaa': 29). The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said: "Whomsoever drinks poison, thereby killing himself, will sip this poison forever in the Hell-Fire."
Cigarettes consist of many poisonous substances and furthermore, the smoker indulges in a slow suicidal act by smoking this poison

Gossip-Quran Prohibits
"O you who believe! People should not ridicule others who may be better than themselves, nor should any women ridicule other women who may be better than themselves. And do not find fault with one another or insult each other with derogatory nicknames. How evil it is to have a name for evil conduct after coming to faith! Those people who do not turn from it are wrongdoers. O you who believe! Avoid most suspicion. Indeed some suspicion is a crime. And do not spy and do not backbite one another. Would any of you like to eat his brother's dead flesh? No, you would hate it. And be aware of God."
(Al-Quran) [49:11-12]
Increases Good Language=Strong Relations Between People
Adultry-Quran Prohibits
And do not go near to fornication. It is an indecent act, an evil way. (Al Qur'an) [17:32]

Decreases Prostituion

Now You Said "If you can covert America to Islam, then perhaps you will be getting somewhere". Then Why Is Islam The Fastest Growing Religion In America And Europe If It's So Ruthless And Barbaric
Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe.
Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam
You Also Said "SHARIAH LAW WOULD BE UTTERLY UNJUST IN AMERICA", If it decreases crime,Increases Good relations between people, stops the robbery,murders,violence,terror, then how is it bad?
"IT WOULD UNDERMINE EVERYTHING THIS COUNTRY STAND FOR".-It would help America as being the strongest nation in the world, that is peaceful,secure,and full of happiness and security
SolaGratia

Con

First of all, Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe because Muslims are IMMIGRATING to America and Europe, in search of jobs, prosperity, stability, etc. It is not some sort of Muslim "Great Awakening."

You use the Qu'ran as a source. This is not rational. So rape is prohibited by the Qu'ran, and every other respectable religious text I can think of. What of it? Rape still happens in Muslim countries, perpetrated by Muslims on Muslims. And I'm sure, because of the insecurity of women--I mean, if you could be persecuted for reporting a rape, would you--that the rates are far higher than the United States. I notice you ignored my point about that completely. The Qu'ran, as I say, would only be good evidence if every American was Muslim.

You say the number of drunk driving deaths, lung cancer deaths, and rapes will decrease. What else? Will our teeth stop decaying? In all seriousness, that is improbable. How can I impress upon you that this will never happen? Shariah law may reduce lung cancer, and maybe even tooth decay, but it would contravene essential American freedoms. The Constitution would be extinct. Liberty, equality? Things of the past. Until Islam grows out of its adolescent hot-headedness, it has no place among the great religions of the world, and even less place in law and government.

Here is a passage from the US State Department website regarding Religion.

"Religious freedom means that the state cannot sponsor, support, or discourage religious expression by any group or individual. Religion remains a prominent feature of life in the United States, but courts have held that the First Amendment means that a "wall" must separate religion and the government. "

Shariah law would violate this.

Here is another:

"The rights embodied in the Constitution do not exist in isolation or in the abstract. They require recognition and active support by all Americans, regardless of political views or position in society."

Shariah law violates this as well. Americans love and preserve their rights. Shariah would destroy that, and all else we in America hold dear. It will never happen, thank God.

(Information, quotes taken from US State Department website, primarily http://usinfo.state.gov...)
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by cherrychocolate 9 years ago
cherrychocolate
Hey solarman I'm with Chuckles, seriously DON'T bash others' religions on your obviously limited and myopic perspective.
And yes, I know you'll say I'm just a kid too. But you wanna know something cool? Us kids will be the ones running things when you're gone, and since you seem unwilling to listen to what others have to say, I'm going to have to take comfort in that.

Regarding the debate...it was interesting; but raheelsoh, I have a HUGE problem with your implication that sexual harassment and assault are the fault of the girl. I cannot tell you how often I've heard that "she was asking for it" and, excuse me, but that is complete BS. A girl shouldn't have to wrap herself in tapestry, especially in the heat of summer, just because the guys she's going to encounter can't keep their perverted thoughts and sometimes hands to themselves. Furthermore, a girl shouldn't have to be ashamed of her beauty - she shouldn't have to hide it, and I believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with putting oneself on display if one so chooses. That is NOT an invitation for harassment and certainly not for assault - it's just appreciating God's gifts and not trying to hide them away for fear of others' misbehavior.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
this girl is gutless and wont debate a real scholar on this subject

thats OK shes just a kid and doesnt know what shes in for as a muslim woman if she does get out soon

you will likely NEVER see anyone log on to this website from a muslim country

NEVER
Posted by Chuckles 9 years ago
Chuckles
yes i'm "just a kid" and i may not understand everything about islam or any other topic for that matter. sometimes in fact i've agreed with you. But there's one thing i understand that you don't seem to. Its called manners. I'm not just being "nice", i am using my manners. how i was raised, and too many people, it seems, aren't.
Posted by mrpresident 9 years ago
mrpresident
Hey raheelsoh, you seem like an exceptional debator, and I would be honored if you could challenge me to a debate about Islam.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
Well Chuckles (another child)

This foolish child (muslim fool) just declined to debate me on this VERY SERIOUS subject, when I presented her / him with a brief and yet DEVASTATING and ACCURATE condemnation of the history of Islam and the scum Mohammeds life

Whenever these idiots are confronted with the FACTS about their DEATH CULT, the RUN AND HIDE like cockroaches in the light

Id like to see a muslim "scholar" show up to debate me

You simply dont understand but thats OK - your a kid and are trying to be nice

Im not nice to people who want to kill me and take over my country and take freedom away

peace

Solarmand
Posted by Chuckles 9 years ago
Chuckles
solarman, although i've heard that view articulated a hundred times, this time was particularly disturbing. You don't need to bash someone's religion like that, especially by saying Mohammed should rot in hell, etc. maybe you'd get more support by being nice, instead of more attention for being rude and annoying.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
You are a complete fool for thinking Islam is anything but DEATH and SUFFERING and MISERY

I wil challenge you head on, kid to a debate on Islam and Sharia law and kick your stupid butt all over the place

Islam should be BANNED WORLDWIDE as a DANGEROUS DEATH CULT

read www.prophetofdoom.net for a cpmplete expose of your murdering torturing child rapist hero Mohammed (may he rot in hell forever where he is)
Posted by Fimbulvintr 9 years ago
Fimbulvintr
The Con need only mention the constitution and the debate is won.
Posted by Chuckles 9 years ago
Chuckles
not only is this highly unconstitutional, pro only mentions two small shaky reasons why we should enact radical law.
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