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JustCallMeTarzan
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C4747500
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Losing
23 Points

The United States Will Loose the War on Terror (esp. Iraq & Afghanistan).

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/21/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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JustCallMeTarzan

Pro

Forgive my short opening argument, but I believe this is obvious based on the current circumstances. Not only is the United States qualitatively losing the war in Iraq, but the general War on Terror as well. Even disregarding the notion that you can't defeat an idea, we are still going to loose. I outline several basic reasons for this below:

1. The two major terrorist organizations in the world are not located in Iraq or Afghanistan (primarily). Hezbollah and al-Qaeda are not based in either of these countries. The two of them together are far and above the rest of the world's terrorist organizations in terms of effectiveness, structure, planning, etc... Fighting them on the ground in two countries will NOT be successful.

2. We cannot win against the classic insurgency that Iraq forces are perpetrating without a major change in US policy. What we're seeing here is the same sort of activity as in the People's Revolution in China, The Vietnam War, and as the French saw in Algeria, which, incidentally is one of the major reasons they are not willing to commit forces to Iraq.

3. The coalition of the Iraqi forces is of such composition that they are clearly willing to band together to destroy the United States. Consider that al-Qaeda is working with other Muslim sects, which is something they traditionally did not do. Also, we see al-Qaeda working with remnants of Saddam's regime, two groups that were at polar odds for literally decades.

4. The terrorist organizations are arguably better funded than the United States military. If you examine the monetary commitment per troop compared with the relative success of the forces. You will find that the terrorist organizations spend less per enemy defeat (death) than the United States military does. This has mostly to do with the fact that the US army is better equipped, but it's also a problem if the terrorist organizations continue guerrilla warfare or practice a war of attrition.

This is just a basic outline of some points... I have more, but I also need to go to class at the moment. I'd like to keep the focus of this debate on Iraq and Afghanistan as they apply to the general War on Terror. If it will please my future opponent, I'd like to abbreviate War on Terror (WoT), War in Iraq (WiI), al-Qaeda (AQ), and Hezbollah (HZ) to save space on these concepts we know by association, but take a lot of our precious characters.

I look forward to an interesting and involved debate. And if you're out there reading this, I'd be interested in debating how we CAN win the War. Not that we ARE... how we CAN. I look forward to a rebuttal.
C4747500

Con

C4747500 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 1
JustCallMeTarzan

Pro

You've GOT to be kidding... come on - this is a huge issue right now... I don't believe this..,

Well - you see it... no argument against me. I think I'll repost this for someone who will actually debate it.
C4747500

Con

C4747500 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
JustCallMeTarzan

Pro

Sigh... honestly, I'm very disappointed. I wish the Con would have the decency to at least post a forfeit so I don't have to wait 3 days between this...
C4747500

Con

C4747500 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
JustCallMeTarzan

Pro

Well it's pretty clear how this one went, I was highly disappointed... Hopefully, the other version of this will go much better...
C4747500

Con

C4747500 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by JustCallMeTarzan 8 years ago
JustCallMeTarzan
No - I meant that they will cease to be so tight and miserly and controlling of the Iraqi people, and the government willl..... and... or.... bah.

I screwed the pooch.
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
Spelling fail.
Posted by Rob1Billion 9 years ago
Rob1Billion
lose has only one o tarzan.
Posted by JustCallMeTarzan 9 years ago
JustCallMeTarzan
I have no idea who is voting for con... there's no con argument to vote FOR.

@ shwayze - it's not a defeatist liberal attitude. On the contrary - I'm quite conservative. However, this is the situation we're in and this is what WILL happen without the proper resources and attention. It's a realist attitude, one that the country would do well to adopt. I suggest you read "The Sling and the Stone" - the textbook for military strategy and analysis in cases like this.
Posted by Lithobolos 9 years ago
Lithobolos
Who is voting for con?? He didn't even post once. Vote on the debate not on the issue.
Posted by shwayze 9 years ago
shwayze
what an amazing defeatist attittude...just like Harry Reid and the rest of the liberals. Is the glass always half-empty?
Posted by Yraelz 9 years ago
Yraelz
Guess I'm voting for Tarzan on this one. =)
Posted by JustCallMeTarzan 9 years ago
JustCallMeTarzan
al-qaeda has only started a "base" in Afghanistan because there is no real government there at the moment. By not based, I mean that al-qaeda is a multinational organization that has no one single "home" per se.

Also, my point about the monetary commitment goes to the idea of a war of attrition being a successful insurgency tactic.
Posted by das_kapitel 9 years ago
das_kapitel
well, the "debate" part of the debate hasn't even started yet, but it find a flaw in the instigator's information. First of all, I do believe that Al Queda is based in Afganistan, and if not, then that is where its leader Osama bin Laden was and/or is located. Secondly,

"If you examine the monetary commitment per troop compared with the relative success of the forces. You will find that the terrorist organizations spend less per enemy defeat (death) than the United States military does."

well, this is most likely because two suicide bombers can kill 3,000 people, as we saw on 9/11.
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