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The United States could beat Russia in a war

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Started: 5/29/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
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nickzerafa

Pro

I believe the USA would win because of the manpower, technology, and army leadership.
DebatingReindeer

Con

I believe that the U.S. would NOT beat Russia in a war because of Russia's culture, environment, military, form of government, and allies.

We should debate about this In the rounds that follow and I look forward to hearing your argument.
Debate Round No. 1
nickzerafa

Pro

I can see why you say this. The military, the cold enviorment, the culture, and the allies. First off... Lets look at the numbers. Russia vs US





Russia
http://www.globalfirepower.com...

US
http://www.globalfirepower.com...
  • First of all the US has nearly double of active manpower than Russia. (US having 145,212,012 manpower while Russia has 69,117,271 manpower. Nearly half of the US right?
  • Next and most important...Resources. I see that the Russians have more petroleum for use on the battlefield. But the number shown is how much petroleum is made in the countries themselves. The US imports a lot more than it makes which can match or even take over the amount of petroleum made by Russia.
  • Ports and Airports (Where Boats Leave, Where Planes Leave). The US has nearly 14,000 Airports for deport while the Russians have about 1.25k. The major ports is a big gap also. The Russians have 7 major ports to depart from while the US having triple that at 24 ports.

Only some numbers that the US has beating Russia by. I look forward to the rest of this debate. Good Luck :D

DebatingReindeer

Con

Good luck to you as well :D

Now, in the links I did not see if the ports and airports are civilian or military. If they are civilian, then those facts are irrelevant. The military doesn't have any use for those. Also, the oil obtained by the U.S. rather than gaining it internally (like Russia) will cost the U.S. a lot of money. The economy is already bad enough as it is.

Now the point with the allies.
Russia is allies with both China and Iran. Guess what? They all hate us! XD lol
If the U.S. were to get into a war with Russia, China and Iran would more than likely get involved. Guess who is on pretty good terms with Iran right now? Afghanistan. The bad part about that? We trained Afghanistan. That's part of the reason we are actually losing the war over there. They took what we taught them and perfected it. While we have our allies, half of the four countries I listed are communists who more than likely have their own ideas of wanting America gone. And as we all know, communism is very harsh.

I will leave it at this so I still have things to talk about in the next few rounds :P
Debate Round No. 2
nickzerafa

Pro

Im very sorry for that miscommunication on the ports and airports.

To kick off round 3 i will correct myself on the ports.


US Navy Installations

http://en.wikipedia.org...


US AIRFORCE Installations

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Now there are the real number. Sorry Again :3


Now with the economy.... The US has one of the largest economies in the world, if not THE largest.

As of 2013 the United States has the LARGEST and BEST economy.

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org...(nominal)

http://www.therichest.com...




Allies

You are 1000% wrong with China coming to Russias aid. The US is Chinas #1 trading partner ( http://en.wikipedia.org...;( The European Union is a group of 27 countries therefore not an independant country))and I dont think they would give that up to aid Russia.

I understand communist nations coming to Russias aid excluding China. We also have helped Afghanistan build their government and I believe they would stay neutral. As for Iraq... you are correct they would come to aid of Russia.


As for the US Allies:

NATO: http://en.wikipedia.org...

As you can see.. many nations. Reaching to almost 10 Million soldiers in all.


Your turn :D
DebatingReindeer

Con

Very good points. However, the economy of America in 2013 was actually 12th in the world.

http://www.heritage.org...

China joining in is still a big factor and a huge possibility. We are trillions of dollars in debt. China practically owns us. At any time if China would ask us for their money, we would not be able to pay it. Also, Russia is allies with North Korea as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

A nuclear weapon would completely destroy all of America except for Oregon and Washington State.

I look forward to reading your response :)

What has North Korea been known for? Nuclear weapons. Russia has also been known for nuclear weapons as well. For example, the Cold War and the Cuban Missile Crisis. Who is to say that something like that can't happen again, but this time, something disastrous takes place.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

As you can see in the link, Cuba is allies with both Russia and Cuba. If a nuclear weapon is launched at the United States from Cuba,
Debate Round No. 3
nickzerafa

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DebatingReindeer

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
nickzerafa

Pro

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DebatingReindeer

Con

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