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The United States federal government should repeal the Hyde Ammendment

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/3/2009 Category: Society
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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fresnoinvasion

Pro

Policy debate. Resolution=plan text.

Contention 1– Patriarchy

The Hyde Amendment actively prevents low-income women from receiving abortion services- Northup, 2009

"Since 1977 when Hyde was first enacted, low-income women have been deprived of that right by anti-choice politicians intent on doing away with a woman's access to abortion altogether. The Hyde Amendment prohibits federal funds from being used to pay for abortion except under extremely limited circumstances. As a result, a woman who relies on Medicaid cannot get an abortion in most circumstances—even if her health is jeopardized by her pregnancy—unless she is able to cover the entire cost out-of-pocket. These restrictions patently discriminate against women. Abortion is a health service only used by women, and it is the only medically necessary service not covered by Medicaid for instance. According to the Guttmacher Institute, a nonpartisan research organization, as many as 35% of women who are eligible for the program and seeking an abortion are prevented from making the personal decision about their own lives and forced to carry their pregnancies to term"

Women are singled out as second-class citizens and subjugated to the authoritarian whims of the state- Cook, 2003

"The abortion-related discrimination that women suffer on grounds of sex and gender, often coupled with discrimination on grounds of race, ethnicity, and, for instance, age, illustrates the pervasive violation of the right to equality that creates the subordinate status that many women occupy in their families, communities, wider societies, and legal systems. The power that a state claims to conscript women to give their bodies against their will to deliver children at its legal demand confirms that women are only lesser or second-class citizens. Restrictive laws on abortion are products of times, many of which continue, when women lacked or lack the political power of full citizenship to overcome patriarchal governments. Such governments are often reliant on the support of authoritarian religious institutions whose leaders exercise spiritual autocracy and command obedience"

The campaign against abortion is part of a larger struggle to uphold the patriarchal religious establishment – the Hyde Amendment is the legislative embodiment of these values that serves to prop up a system of male domination- Stopler, 2008

"patriarchal religions and cultures that discriminate against women and in which women have little voice, shape the law and through it the rights of all women. Patriarchal values are prevalent in both culture and religion, and consequently in law. Although it is often reiterated that the impetus for state legislation enacted in the mid-nineteenth century banning abortion originated in the medical profession, it is also true that the physician's campaign was largely based on the then-controlling societal perception about women's godly-ordained roles and duties and was couched in religious terms that directly appealed to religious prejudices regarding women"

The impact is try or die – the unmanageable catastrophes of present-day society are all consequences of this patriarchal system – war, violence, and environmental destruction are inevitable absent the plan- Warren and Cady, 96

"rape, sexual harassment, spouse-beating, and sado-massochistic pornography are examples of behaviors practiced, sanctioned, or tolerated within patriarchy. In the realm of environmentally destructive behaviors, strip-mining, factory farming, and pollution of the air, water, and soil are instances of behaviors maintained and sanctioned within patriarchy. They, too, rest on the faulty beliefs that it is okay to "rape the earth," that it is "man's God-given right" to have dominion (that is domination) over the earth. Patriarchal conceptual frameworks legitimate impaired thinking (about women, national and regional conflict, the environment) which is manifested in behaviors which, if continued, will make life on earth difficult, if not impossible It is a stark message, but it is plausible."

Contention 2: Solvency
Congress should repeal the Hyde Amendment- Center for Reproductive Rights, 8

"Congress should repeal the Hyde Amendment, the federal policy that bans federal funding for abortions. Abortions that are medically necessary for the woman's health are excluded under Medicaid.. Between 18-35% of Medicaid-eligible women who want an abortion are forced to continue their pregnancies due to the unavailability of public funding. The Hyde Amendment and other bans on federal funding for medically necessary abortions disproportionately harm low-income women of color because they are more likely than white women to rely on federally-funded programs for their reproductive health care"

The plan solves all alternate causalities – reproductive freedom opens a path to full emancipation- Morgentaler, 96

"However, women cannot achieve their full potential unless they have freedom to control their bodies, to control their reproductive capacity."

Congressional action demonstrates our commitment to reproductive freedom as a human rights leader- Center for Reproductive Rights, 8

"These injustices demand a bold agenda for change, ensuring that women's reproductive rights are understood and protected by law- and policy-makers. We can no longer rely on the courts to protect reproductive rights or to meet internationally recognized standards regarding access to reproductive health care. It is time for Congress and the President to demonstrate their commitment to women's health and self-determination, and to acknowledge this nation's obligations to respect reproductive rights as human rights."

That's key to global leadership- Shattuck 8

"One of the biggest challenges facing the next president is how to restore US credibility in the world. Despite military assets unparalleled in history, US global standing has hit rock bottom. The United States government is widely perceived today to be a violator of human rights. The gap between America's values and its actions has severely eroded US global influence"

Global nuclear war- Thayer 6

"Everything we think of when we consider the current international order--free trade, a robust monetary regime, increasing respect for human rights, growing democratization--is directly linked to U.S. power. a Pax Americana does reduce war's likelihood, particularly war's worst form: great power wars. Second, American power gives the United States the ability to spread democracy and other elements of its ideology of liberalism: Doing so is a source of much good for the countries concerned as well as the United States because, as John Owen noted on these pages in the Spring 2006 issue, liberal democracies are more likely to align with the United States and be sympathetic to the American worldview."

Lastly, Abortions are inevitable – the Hyde amendment just forces later, more dangerous abortions- Douglas, 8

"Studies have repeatedly shown that Hyde pushes women to have later, less safe and more expensive abortions rather than to forego abortion altogether; poor women take up to three weeks longer than other women to access abortion care. "[T]he risk of complications increases exponentially at higher gestations, so many poor women become trapped in a vicious cycle in which their difficulties are exacerbated and their health risks increased, Guttmacher studies show that 22% of Medicaid-eligible women having second-trimester abortions would have terminated their pregnancies in the first trimester if Medicaid had covered abortion care. Being unable to cover the cost of an abortion means women may forego food, rent or bills to pay for the procedure."
TheSixCents

Con

Contention 1– Morality

"The abortion debate begins with the moral status of the fetus. If the fetus has no rights, then abortion is a non-issue--it is as easy to justify as an appendectomy. But, if the fetus has rights, then abortion doesn't solely concern the freedom of women, since personal freedom is constrained by the rights of others."
(1.) http://www.efn.org...

The Abortion debate plays into an issue of morality; We accept the moral choice of others to oppose the Death Penalty, but not to oppose the termination of a fetus. In both cases, an issue of morals: whether or not the value of life outweighs the reproductive rights of women.

According to an A.B.C poll in the United States 50% of Americans believe abortion should be Illegal in most or all cases.
(1.) http://www.pollingreport.com...

This puts abortion rights at an even split among voters. Due to this disagreement in their constituent bodies, the Federal government has no choice but to uphold the Hyde amendment. By funding such a controversial practice, it would be dismissing the views of half the country in order to push for Womens' rights. The Hyde amendment allows the U.S government to take a neutral stance; allowing privately funded abortions while disallowing the use of public funds.

Contention 2 - Cost

"The abortion rate among women living below the federal poverty level ($9,570 for a single woman with no children) is more than four times that of women above 300% of the poverty level (44 vs. 10 abortions per 1,000 women). This is partly because the rate of unintended pregnancies among poor women (below 100% of poverty) is nearly four times that of women above 200% of poverty* (112 vs. 29 per 1,000 women)"
1.) http://www.guttmacher.org...

Further, the average abortion costs 413$. By repealing the Hyde amendment, Medicaid costs would increase exponentially, paid for either by increasing co-pays or re-routing government funding for other programs. Repealing the Hyde amendment would undoubtedly bankrupt the Medicaid system.
Debate Round No. 1
fresnoinvasion

Pro

I don't have much time to respond. But heres my short response.

Morality-

He concedes a vital piece of evidence, thats Douglas in 2008, which says abortions are inevitable.

He says the USfg should be neutral, however, I've proven that advantages are to be gained from providing the funds.. Therefore, when morality does not contain an impact, you must revert to the real world advantages that can be gained by US action.

The D.A. is non-unique, the USfg does immoral crap all the time and there has been no negative impacts.

No link- The USfg won't look immoral, just the individuals that CHOSE to get the abortion that would have chosen to get it regardless. The USfg looks MORE moral because it ensures all of its citizens can have safe abortions as opposed to unsafe ones which are inevitable in a world without the plan.

No impact to the D.A. so err aff

Theres no brink that says where the morality disad happens and where we can act immorally and nothing happens. The USfg is immoral now and we do not have the negative impacts so why would negative impacts come from this one act?

Cost-

We help the us economy in the long run because we do not have the unwanted children in the world that will merely live on welfare. If the family is on medicade then they are probably on other governmental programs at the same time, with more children comes more money being payed on a regular day basis that are clearly going to outweigh the abortion service cost.
TheSixCents

Con

I will use round two to respond to your points.

""The Hyde Amendment actively prevents low-income women from receiving abortion services-""

-The purpose of the Hyde amendment is not to prevent low-income women from receiving services, but rather Federal funding for such procedures. This is an important distinction, because as it was created without malice or to create a loophole to overturn Roe.v Wade, but rather as a neutral stance. Further, the idea that women are being forced to pay for emergency abortions in cases of health is incorrect:

"The amendment creates no such conflict. The Hyde amendment requires states to reimburse providers for abortions in these rare cases. In fact, the Medicaid managed care law explicitly instructs states to notify enrollees of any services to which they are entitled that a specific provider does not offer, and to notify the enrollees of how they might obtain such services elsewhere (42 USC � 1396u-2(a)(5)(D))."

http://www.usccb.org...

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""Women are singled out as second-class citizens and subjugated to the authoritarian whims of the state""

There is no such ban on a womens right to receive an abortion. Rather, she is entitled to any health service she wishes, but as an Therapeutic Abortion is both controversial and not health related, Medicaid will not cover it. She is not forced to take Medicaid benefits, or to receive an abortion with a Medicaid approved doctor. As stated above, if a health need arises for an abortion states are required to reimburse the patient. Therefore, like Plastic surgery and Tanning, abortions are not covered under Medicaid.

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""The campaign against abortion is part of a larger struggle to uphold the patriarchal religious establishment – the Hyde Amendment is the legislative embodiment of these values that serves to prop up a system of male domination""

Again, the Hyde amendment does not ban abortions in way. It simply says that the Federal government will not fit the bill for this procedure.

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""The impact is try or die – the unmanageable catastrophes of present-day society are all consequences of this patriarchal system – war, violence, and environmental destruction are inevitable absent the plan""

I don't know exactly were you are going with this "700 Club ruled America" theory, but it seems a bit of topic. I highly doubt that a ban on federally funded abortions would be part of a plan to bring American women to their knee's.

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""The plan solves all alternate causalities – reproductive freedom opens a path to full emancipation""

Again, these women are free to receive an abortion. Their is no emancipation to be had in this sector of society. The right of a Woman to receive an abortion is not threatened, nor her ability to receive funding from a third party, such as Planned Parenthood.

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""Congressional action demonstrates our commitment to reproductive freedom as a human rights leader""

Congress is responsible to the tax-payers. They are not making Social policy, but rather a fiscal decision to keep Medicaid afloat and controversy aside when upholding the Hyde amendment.

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""Lastly, Abortions are inevitable – the Hyde amendment just forces later, more dangerous abortions""

The choice is up to these women concerning the timing of their abortion. If they feel an abortion is an important enough to them to spend the 500$ or so dollars, it is their right. If they choose to not go ahead with the abortion their children will be cared for by the State. However, by simply not fitting the bill, the goverment is allowing the Social Policy to be made by each individual, not using Taxpayers money.

By this reasoning, the Government should fund most personal activities: (Drugs, Prostitution) so that the American citizen will not be in harms way. It is not the job of Medicaid to pay for non-health related issues.

If a women does not get an abortion because she can not use government funding, she is at no loss. She can simply put the child up for adoption or care for it herself with Public help.

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""Therefore, when morality does not contain an impact, you must revert to the real world advantages that can be gained by US action.""

In this case the impact is fiscal, as well as moral. Morally, many taxpayers object to the ending of what they define as a human life. Fiscally, they object to their taxes bring used to fund such procedures.

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""We help the us economy in the long run because we do not have the unwanted children in the world that will merely live on welfare. If the family is on medicade then they are probably on other governmental programs at the same time, with more children comes more money being payed on a regular day basis that are clearly going to outweigh the abortion service cost.""

We are talking about future citizens, artists, businesspeople, politicians, and the like. To say that a child born from a mother who does not decide to receive an abortion is going to be a burden to society is absurd. It is not the place for the U.S government to decide to end a life for financial costs. It is however fiscally responsible for the U.S government to not provide a non-vital medical service for a financial reason.
Debate Round No. 2
fresnoinvasion

Pro

fresnoinvasion forfeited this round.
TheSixCents

Con

TheSixCents forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
fresnoinvasion

Pro

fresnoinvasion forfeited this round.
TheSixCents

Con

TheSixCents forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
7 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 7 records.
Posted by TheSixCents 7 years ago
TheSixCents
Im not scared. I actually am taking the con, which is not my personal opinion. But, that does not matter. Im new, by the way. Im Chris.
Posted by LB628 7 years ago
LB628
I was not trying to patronize it. I have great respect for my team's policy debate teams, because I realize exactly how much effort they put into gathering evidence and so on, as well as the great skill it actually takes to succeed.

Nevertheless, I find the actual arguments somewhat unrealistic.
Posted by Charlie_Danger 7 years ago
Charlie_Danger
I don't do, and probably never will do, policy debate. But I respect it. It is a different type of debate, (REAL nonetheless, unlike Public-Forum Debate, appropriately titled by my team as "pathetic form of debate") where massive amounts of argumentation and sourced evidence is prominent, as opposed to LD, where more intangible, philisophical grounds are explored.

Please, do NOT patronize the debate style because of some sad sleaze tactics used by many. (e.g. spreading 500wpm and NEUCLEAR WAR ALWAYS) If you are an open-minded, moreover, rational person, you will see how some situations actually CAN lead to neuclear war. Maybe not all, mabye not most, but don't shut the idea out like the average ignorant antagonist.
Posted by LB628 7 years ago
LB628
Its arguments like this that make policy debate hilarious. Apparently, this single act, enacted 32 years ago, is supporting/and or will cause global nuclear war.
Posted by Alex 7 years ago
Alex
You shouldn't really write that much in the opening round, it scares off most anybody.
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
Yep. Agree with u_e.
Posted by untitled_entity 7 years ago
untitled_entity
so muchhh texxttt
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