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The United States government should implement universal health care modeled after the French System

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Started: 2/8/2010 Category: Health
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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PrincessLindsey

Con

This was the Public Forum topic for November 2008(this was my first debate topic ever) thanks for debating! best of luck!
The United States should not have a universal healthcare system modeled after the French. Even though the French run a pretty efficient system, the United States couldn't replicate it perfectly due to flaws in the way they run their system and the differences of the two countries. So, this would make it nearly impossible to replicate here without reforming the ways of the French system and changing it to benefit the average American.
The French's program is paid by considerably high taxes, which the U.S. presently doesn't need more taxes to be added on. This is mostly because of the recession and economic crisis we are in at the time being, and that the U.S. is still paying off debt to other countries through increased taxes. The average family is already working hard to pay these already raised taxes off as it is. Perhaps maybe changing the system in America to benefit the working class would be to make it necessary to make the employer provide healthcare for the employee. This would ensure that the people who are getting heath care are actually working and not letting other people pay for them to not work. So basically the consolidation of the private insurance industry to a single payer in France might be cheaper, but the French are not already paying high taxes as the U.S. is. So it is nearly impossible to have this French System in the United States without significantly higher taxes for everyone.
Medical companies rely on America to finance their research and development. Basically Americans are already paying the price for funding for medical research for other countries who can't afford it. The U.S. is as of now the uncontested leader in medical innovation and specialty care worldwide. Without the top-flight research and innovation, provided by American's paying taxes to fund, the great medical care would not be possible in other countries.
Until free markets are given a chance in American health care, we should not move to a French system. Doctors in the United States make nearly three times what doctors make in France. Part of this is because the doctors who are making a lot of money have been to some of the most elite colleges and people would be more apt to trust someone who was taught by some of the world renound teachers and professors. They believe these doctors have more understanding and knowledge than a doctor who didn't go to a fancy college or have the best schooling from famous doctors. The doctors also work their way up to being known all over the U.S. by their medical talent that is built up better and better over the years, and reputations that they get from their talent. However, these doctors are encouraged to use the most expensive medical tests and drugs. They are promoting inefficiency and cost maximization. However, the customer knows this but would still rather go to a better known doctor, even though they are paying more. Basically it's the consumer's choice. Those who can't afford fancy medical cacare n go to quick care clinics that have started to pop up in Wal-Marts and other areas around the nation. It is a cheaper way to get the same medical attention at a cheaper price. It is a small price to pay if people don't have jobs that gain them healthcare automatically. So, these people as of now shouldn't be complaining of bills when lesser healthcare is out there and those who make under a certain amount of money per year don't even have to pay taxes, so this should open up opportunity to pay their untaxed money to pay for their benefit and pay for their own medical attention.
Americans often get bad reputations for our health care industry. The key to fixing it is not using the French system, but making the medical care cheaper and more available to those who can't afford it. The insurance companies and rising costs can be reformed and made cheaper for all Americans if the government works on reforming its ideas and healthcare system now. America has a great system of letting people reap what they sow, as in you get what you earn and other people shouldn't have to pay the price because the unemployed don't want to work. The U.S. may be inefficient in some respects, but free enterprise and competition can solve this over time. America still leads the world in innovation and of healthcare research, we just need to be concentrated on making our system better, benefiting all classes.
Reas0n

Pro

NO i think that people should have health care regardless of how much money they have or if there actually sick or they just wana feel special!!!!
Debate Round No. 1
PrincessLindsey

Con

Obviously, you are not taking this debate seriously. However, I will continue the debate.
1. You have given me no valid points or contentions to follow up or critique.
2.You don't support evidence
3. This isn't about what you think, I posted this as a Public Forum Debate-which means it's not based on values and your opinion doesn't matter. It's the opinion of the experts that actually matters. So

Well, going back to your one line sentence rebuttal against my case. People who have health care when they can't afford is causes the rest of the United States to pay for it, people should get their own jobs and pay for their own healthcare. If we were doing the French Healthcare system then everyone would be forced into getting the same healthcare which is terrible. The doctors and lawyers and hard working American citizens who already get health insurance shouldn't be forced into a French Health Care System.

This also brings up the issuse of: cancer, and other related ilnesses.
If a person has a very bad case of cancer, or some critical illness, they could only get the care provided by the Universal Healthcare plan, which most times deprives them of what they actually need, or what could save them. This can mean that even if the person makes 10000000 per year, they still can't get the acurate care that they need because the government won't allow it. This makes it more prevelant for people to start moving away from the United States into other countries to recieve the healthcare that they can get, and the healthcare that they can pay for, and the healthcare that can even save their lives.

Just because people "want to feel special" as you say...doesn't mean that people need to have a French Health Care System. Already, the government provides welfare, and if a person a sick, an emergency room can't turn people are away because they can't pay. It's plain to see that my argument clearly is strong, and yours doesn't even hold a bit of merrit.

Questions, Comments?
Reas0n

Pro

ya could you just repeat everything you just again plz because I'm "Special"
Debate Round No. 2
PrincessLindsey

Con

It's in black and white, try re-reading it. So, you have no comments or questions? Are you forefitting?
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by PrincessLindsey 6 years ago
PrincessLindsey
I had everything underlined and indented etc. then i put it on here and it looks just perfect...then when i click publish it pushes everything over to the left hand side...idk why this happened....do you know how to fix this?
Posted by Spaztoid 6 years ago
Spaztoid
Yay walls of text. While I don't mind reading large groups of text, try spacing things out so that they ae more readable.
Posted by PrincessLindsey 6 years ago
PrincessLindsey
haha yaa! oops! it didnt post the whole resolution in there! ima make a new debate lol
Posted by Itsallovernow 6 years ago
Itsallovernow
Oh, wait....I was Con too! Lol, I won't take it then.
Posted by Itsallovernow 6 years ago
Itsallovernow
Oh my God! I remember this one and I still have my speech for it! If no one accepts it by tomorrow, I will soooooo do it then! I just have to make sure it's where I remember...
Posted by I-am-a-panda 6 years ago
I-am-a-panda
The space bar is fantastic
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