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The United States should have a national health care system

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Started: 4/17/2010 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Challenge Declined
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asp1007

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The United States claims to be based upon a laissez faire free market system in which free exchange spurs internal growth and creates increasing wealth. If this is indeed the goal of the USA Americans must recognize that free exchange cannot exist in the health care industry without regulation. The creation of a government option in the healthcare industry is needed in order to prevent against patients being taken advantage of by their physicians.

While I certainly agree with the premise of the laissez faire economic system, I believe that there are certain sections of society that do not conform to this theory. The idea of free trade is based upon the ability of individuals to make rational decisions and make pricing comparisons. An individual facing an urgent medical condition does not have the time to investigate alternative treatment prices and locations. Furthermore, transport to another location in order to receive treatment drastically increases the financial burden in receiving care.

As a citizen of Canada I receive health care through a national insurance program and elements which are not covered are left to our own expenses. Doctors are paid by the government program which sets an agreed upon rate for certain procedures. Any procedure not covered by the insurance program is paid by the individual. While this system is not ideal I believe that it has prevented patients from being turned away with serious conditions due to their inability to afford a particular doctor's set price. The United States could easily create a superior health care system where doctors are mandated to allocate a percentage of their time to working under a national health care plan while still enabling them to run their private practise and see patients who wish to accelerate the process.

The current health care system in the United States has numerous flaws which can be remedied by implementing a Government Option or another version of a national health care system.
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Posted by wjmelements 3 years ago
wjmelements
Perfect competition != free trade.
Posted by asp1007 3 years ago
asp1007
Read the debate point about how free trade is actually achieved. The ability to price compare.
Posted by wjmelements 3 years ago
wjmelements
"free exchange cannot exist in the health care industry without regulation."

wut
Posted by asp1007 3 years ago
asp1007
you're asking if these people are maliciously abusing the system. I mean it doesn't seem to make much sense that a person would intentionally ruin their life in order to exploit a system?
Posted by jonpistone2 3 years ago
jonpistone2
yes i understand canada has goverment run care......do you think its okay that some people eat poor diets and dont keep in shape and require care tons more expensive than youll ever need who dont pay a penny into the system...while you (or others who make more than you) may end up paying an exorbitent amount into a system that they may have very little need for if they take the initiative and stay healthy?

i dont find that to be very fair and also dont see the insentive for people to care about their own health.
Posted by asp1007 3 years ago
asp1007
Yes, that a government option is (in my opinion) the best way to create a free market economy. Also, I do currently pay into a form of government health care so ... I do pay for others... in the self interest that it will eventually benefit my own.
Posted by jonpistone2 3 years ago
jonpistone2
well....I guess my main problem with this...is that a government run plan would mean higher taxes and so SOME people are paying for OTHERS....that's why I'm saying its hard to debate if you aren't involved directly...

though I think you are clearing things up a bit more---your side is saying that you cant have a good insurance system for health care if you do not give a government option as well....is that right?? but no true focus on its funding...just debating the idea of it...yes?
Posted by asp1007 3 years ago
asp1007
Hmm... I understand where you're coming from and realize that a Canadian should not be dictating anything to a member of another nation about how to run a country. That being said, if you believe that I don't comprehend the issues or effects I welcome you to debate me upon the issue.

My nationality has no effect on the truth of my viewpoint. You cannot have a free market society without a government option in health care. So yes I do believe I have criticize your system just the same way that many feel they can criticize the totalitarian regimes of the middle east while 90% are unaware where these countries are geographically.

Ps. This idea of Big Gov Vs Small Gov is just another way of framing Individual rights V Collectivism... and big government can exist while maintaining individual rights which is the true basis of classical liberalism and libertarianism.
Posted by jonpistone2 3 years ago
jonpistone2
well...we do agree on that....the system is broken! :)

though, i personally think its worse now....not sure your idea of a public option would be better than what we have now but it surely would be better than this bill....totally agree!! :)
Posted by jonpistone2 3 years ago
jonpistone2
well...Libertarians are against taking money from the rich and giving to the poor...in fact, they are against big government and excessive government regulations....Obama stated before the election and has currently shown that he is for BIG government....I'm not saying you cant think he was the best for the job, but I am saying his views are almost exactly opposite of a libertarian....

and yes I do think that outside views are not a great idea....not that you cant have your opinion and I'm glad you do....but (I think you're from Canada, right?) if i said that everyone in canada should give 100% of their paychecks to the government to support a cause....wouldnt you say that its not MY money and therefore i should have no 'say' as to what happens to it?

if everyone in the world could get the best health care at all times and no one had to pay for it--yes, thats the best system....but when you are debating an issue as to how some americans should be taxed higher to pay to the government and then let the american government decide how to care for the rest of the population....i think you are out of line.

but....ur welcome to your opinon of course, just that it doesnt effect you nearly in the same way and so your 'outside view' cannot fully comprehend those inside the boarders dealing with this issue.
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