The Instigator
knick-knack
Pro (for)
Winning
18 Points
The Contender
dieguixd
Con (against)
Losing
3 Points

The United States should remove Hugo Chavez from power

Do you like this debate?NoYes+0
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Post Voting Period
The voting period for this debate has ended.
after 3 votes the winner is...
knick-knack
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/4/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 2,056 times Debate No: 6142
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (9)
Votes (3)

 

knick-knack

Pro

The resolution means that the United States should go into Venezuela and remove their president Hugo Chavez from political office and bar him fom ever being in a position of international power.

Terrorists have been wrecking havoc on the world for years, and have killed many innocent people. Terrorists are not scared of death and will commit suicide for their cause, and will use any means to kill. They will use deadly weapons to achieve these means. The reason terrorists are able to obtain weapons such as RPG's and road side bombs and IED's is because they are being funded by corrupt people and corrupt government officials. An example is Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela. He is directly funding the FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia), who are heavily involved in drug trafficking, and kidnapping, murdering, and use IED's to destroy towns. A computer was recovered on a Columbian military raid, the computer owned by Ra´┐Żl Reyes (second in command of the FARC) documents show ties between Ecuador and also shows Chavez directly funded the FARC 300 million dollars. The money was going to be used to purchase uranium for nuclear weapon development. Venezuelan authorities have let the FARC drug traffic run freely through their country an estimated 300 tons annually to be exported to the US and Europe, A very profitable agreement between the FARC and Chavez.

Also, Hugo Chavez has funneled 1 million dollars to Al-Qaeda terrorist organization in Afghanistan shortly after September 11, 2001, which as we all know was a terrorist attack against the US. And Hugo Chavez said that the US "brought it upon themselves." Larry Klayman of the Judicial Watch organization said "Chavez, as President of Venezuela, and in furtherance of his radical terrorist agenda, initiated a plan to assist, aid, and abet bin Laden and al-Qaeda to relocate and train terrorists for future attacks on the United States."

Venezuelan government has issued a type of Social Security Card to Cuba, Colombia and Middle Eastern nations that host foreign terrorist organizations. These cards help terrorists come across the US border and will soon strike in not only American cities but in cities around the world.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez spent over $2.17 billion in 2005 to acquire Russian assault rifles and helicopters, Spanish transport aircraft and missile-capable corvettes, and Brazilian turboprop light attack aircraft. Chavez also bought 100,000 AK-103 and AK-104 assault rifles that were delivered in 2006. On Feb. 4, however, Chavez said that "100,000 rifles are not enough," and declared that many more rifles are needed to arm his one million-strong military reserve, that's another 900,000 rifles to buy. The Chavez government's shopping list for 2006 includes MiG-29 Fulcrums, possibly Sukhoi SU-27 Flankers, and air defense missiles, including both man-portable and vehicle-mounted SAMs. Chavez said in 2005 that he would buy up to 50 MiG-29 Fulcrums in a deal worth up to $5 billion. He also plans on being president of Venezuela until 2021 or 2027.

He is going to be in office for a long time, and with all of his military spending, it is obvious he is planning on war. With a bitter rivalry between him and Columbia, there seems to be a war very soon. In order to prevent another war the USA needs to take action first.

We need to learn from history. Britain and France in the 1930s did not oppose Hitler when he was violating the Treaty of Versailles, by seizing pieces of territory; instead they kept giving in to appease him. They needed to stop Hitler while he was weak, instead of waiting until he was too strong. Because they didn't take action when they could have it turned into a World War, where millions of lives were lost.
Hugo Chavez is a threat to the world. He needs to be stopped. We need to learn from history and stop him before he terrorizes the world for a very long time.
dieguixd

Con

My opponent has pretty strong points there, and i don't think Hugo should be president, in fact i hate him, he is rellay stupid and looks up to Fidel like he was a great person which hes not. Now that i got off my chest lets start this

first of all buddy you're not giving me any websites about hugo buying all that stuff. And USA shouldn't be doing this right now with the economic problems we have,, and we also are in war right now, i am sure that venezuela is not a big threat to the USA.

If for some reason Venezuela declares war on whoever as long as its not us we shouldn't fight anymore wars. And if... Hugo attacks us, we just nuke them, with the techonology we have we can wipe out venezuela of the map. Now i have nothing else to say. I would like some websites that say Hugo is doing all the stuff you've posted, and don't get me wrong, I would love Hugo out of the position he is, but the USA does not have time nor the money to start crap with Venezuela.
Debate Round No. 1
knick-knack

Pro

http://en.rian.ru...
http://www.usnews.com...
http://www.heritage.org...

I think that this is most of it. If you need more I will post.

*Rebuttal

"And if... Hugo attacks us, we just nuke them, with the techonology we have we can wipe out venezuela of the map"

The object of this topic is that we go and stop Hugo Chavez from attacking us in the first place. Also I do not want to "Wipe out Venezuela" I'm only against Hugo Chavez, not the people of his country.

"economic problems we have"

Ask yourself which is more important: our economy? Or every Americans life? The issue of the economy would be no problem if everyone was dead. He is funding terrorists to strike us again. And it seems not so far in the future.

"we also are in war right now"

Exactly why we should take a corrupt person out of power before he declares war on us. It would only expand the issue of war, and more troops would die as a result of the Venezuelan war. If we take him out before war is waged then more American lives are spared.

"i am sure that venezuela is not a big threat to the USA"

First, just read my original post again. He is a HUGE threat to the US by funding terrorists and then helping them come to our country. They will strike again, and it may be bigger and worse then September 11th. He is without a dounbt a certain threat.

Thank you

Kk-
dieguixd

Con

dieguixd forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
knick-knack

Pro

For this final round I will say that no argument has been brought against me with sufficient evidence that Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, should not be removed from power. Therefore, my case stands.

Vote accordingly.

Kk-
dieguixd

Con

dieguixd forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
9 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 9 records.
Posted by knick-knack 8 years ago
knick-knack
Yes Ragnar, but not only am I stating that he funds terrorism, he also seems to be planning on war and is evolving into a dictator.

War kills many people.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
I'm not sure if you understand how terrorism works, Pro, it can't kill everyone. It kills a few people to scare the rest.

Starvation due to insane tax increases to pay for an unnecessary war on Chavez kills more.
Posted by s0m31john 8 years ago
s0m31john
I'm surprised he spelled "you're" right.
Posted by dieguixd 8 years ago
dieguixd
you're an a$$hole
Posted by Mangani 8 years ago
Mangani
It's not about being new here... A person arguing on a street corner could have presented better arguments than the ones you presented. And I hope you aren't suicidal considering your last comment...
Posted by dieguixd 8 years ago
dieguixd
well the world is gonna end one day sooner or later why would you have faith in the first place
Posted by s0m31john 8 years ago
s0m31john
People make me lose faith in humanity.
Posted by dieguixd 8 years ago
dieguixd
sorry genius im new here
Posted by Mangani 8 years ago
Mangani
It's sad when the defense of a idiotic point comes from someone who cannot articulate a proper defense...
3 votes have been placed for this debate. Showing 1 through 3 records.
Vote Placed by knick-knack 8 years ago
knick-knack
knick-knackdieguixdTied
Agreed with before the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Agreed with after the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Who had better conduct:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:Vote Checkmark--2 points
Total points awarded:70 
Vote Placed by Littleweasle 8 years ago
Littleweasle
knick-knackdieguixdTied
Agreed with before the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Agreed with after the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Who had better conduct:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:Vote Checkmark--2 points
Total points awarded:43 
Vote Placed by s0m31john 8 years ago
s0m31john
knick-knackdieguixdTied
Agreed with before the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Agreed with after the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Who had better conduct:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:Vote Checkmark--2 points
Total points awarded:70