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9spaceking
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dynamicduodebaters
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The User Known as 9spaceking Should be put in a Insane Asylum

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Voting Style: Open with Elo Restrictions Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/3/2014 Category: Funny
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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9spaceking

Pro

PREFACE
I have went through many profiles on DDO, and many seem to have mental problems. However, our greatest threat seems to be the infamous troll 9spaceking. His debates and posts prove his insanity, and he must be put through an insane asylum to protect us all from his craziness!!

Insanity: " a derangement of the mind."
From: http://dictionary.reference.com...


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-Round one acceptance only
dynamicduodebaters

Con

Thank You.

Gladly accepted, 9spaceking.

As per rules, you start!

DDD
Debate Round No. 1
9spaceking

Pro

I thank my opponent(s) for accepting this debate. We will suppose BoP is split 60-40, 60 on my side and 40 on my opponent's, unless my opponent(s) wants a challenge and split the BoP 50-50 instead, which they may, but they must state it next round first thing so we all know.

Anyhow, here's why 9space should be put in an insane asylum
1. He speaks Hex. Who the heck speaks hex?
See: http://www.debate.org...

1.5 He also speaks Romanian. Who the heck speaks Romanian?
See: http://www.debate.org...

2. He thinks bacon and eggs are not delicious. What kind of person in his right mind thinks bacon and eggs aren't delicious??
See: http://www.debate.org...

3. He makes weird stupid debate topics. 9spaceking is a troll. He is crazy and does crazy topics. I mean, seriously, who the heck compares Krabby Patties to Purple penguins? (See: http://www.debate.org...) And who in the universe thinks that coca cola actually can get it on and cum?? What??
See: http://www.debate.org.... 9space clearly states in the debate... "Allowing homosexual marriage increases the chances of having ***, and because such, they will cum, and the salty taste of cum tastes amazing with the great sweetness of the coke." This is ridiculous and silly, and it shows how deranged this troll is. In fact, 9Space is so deranged, he created a debate which he thought shouldn't have been created. (See: http://www.debate.org...) This is absolute stupidity. If you don't want a debate to be created then don't create it.
And of course, recently this troll has created a topic where he was Con and he argued he wasn't "CON". (See: http://www.debate.org...) What's the difference? His brain is obviously deranged and different from everyone.

4. He talks to himself as two different people, 9space and his alter ego Jack. 9space is so crazy he once created an alter ego and had a "battle/discussion" between him. It went on for posts after posts and it really freaked me out too. I don't know any logical reasoning for this strange activity so it must be concluded that 9space is insane as a result of his strange postings. (See: http://www.debate.org...)

Now that I have fulfilled my BoP that 9space is crazy, I will show how he can harm us.
Studies find that insane people are more likely than normal people to commit crime. (See: http://articles.latimes.com...)

In addition 9Space has also be found on the forums to be tearing apart relationships. Almost everyone, Esocialbookworm and EndarkenedRationalist in particular, can prove that 9spaceking once tried to tear apart their relationship and doubted them, even willing to challenge Mikal at one point to disprove Bookie's and Ennie's love. I mean, who the heck challenges Mikal? Only the best of the best have the privilege and darings to challenge such a mighty debater as Mikal, don't even mention 9spaceking.
9spaceking has in fact also creeped out Bookie in one of his posts. (See: http://tinyurl.com...) This shows his bad influence on other people and that his insanity causes many many negative changes that don't do us good.

And of course, throwing him into the mental asylum--*putting*--would bring positive effects with the right therapy treatment. Research is already being made, and many different ways have been tried out, and some actually work. (See: http://v.gd...)
So, in conclusion, 9spaceking is an insane troll and must be put into an insane asylum for treatment so as to become a healthier, more productive citizen and DDO-ian.
dynamicduodebaters

Con

My argument is through a google doc:
https://docs.google.com...

Thanks,

DDD
Debate Round No. 2
9spaceking

Pro

Google doc??

Minus conduct point from my opponent, please, voters.

Anyhow... my opponent tries to throw me off by saying that speaking different weird languages that normal Asians (not a Romanian, but an Asian) cannot speak is not insane. But 9space is deranged. He learn these languages even though they are definitely not required in the normal curriculum of his classes, nor will they ever help him, since he will never travel to Romania, speak to a Romanian, or have to talk or program in hex for any reason at all. (As verifiable from the conversation below)
Me: 9space, will you ever travel to Romania, speak to a Romanian, or have to talk or program in hex for any reason at all?
9space: Never, ever.
As for bacon and eggs, 9space was clearly trolling and commiting a texas sharpshooter fallacy, as he never mentioned the good sides of bacon and eggs, only the rotten ones.

My opponent analyzez 9space's behavior and states... "Just because you troll does not make you crazy, in fact, I view trolls to often be more intelligent than others." However, insanity is actually linked to being a genius. [1][2] Thus, if you are a genius troll, you are more likely to be insane. And as I pointed out before, 9space is pretty darn intelligent, and he's a lame troll at the same time.

"Just because you regret something does not make you crazy" No, but if you do something you don't want to do without being forced to, you're definitely crazy.

Talking to myself is not insane? Yes, research does show positive effects of one talking to oneself [3], however, you must note that all of these were positive. They did not discuss setting up "Traps" and battling each other out in a duel of words. Who goes against themselves? Certainly not sane people.

"...breaking relationships is perfectly normal." Yeah well, if a friend tried to break a couple up when they were just beginning, he has to have some kind of derangement of mind.

9space had the wits to stop myself challenging Mikal....yes....he did that only to challenge an even tougher opponent, the great and powerful Raisor, and boy did he lose....[4]

9space's symptons

“Schizophrenia

The top three symptoms of schizophrenia are:

Delusions--yep, he's delusioned


Hallucinations--9space has hallucinations that he needs to speak languages that don't help him at all


Paranoia

Bipolar Disorder--Jack and 9space are two completely different people indeed

The top three symptoms of bipolar disorder are:

Mania


Depression


Suicidal thoughts



Dementia Disorders

The top three symptoms of dementia disorder are:

Memory Loss


Personality/mood changes--again, Jack to 9space, really weird

•Time and place disorientation”
As shown above 9space definitely has some of these traits of insanity. In addition, he has partially commited a type of crime similar to pedohiplia. He stalked Bookie and was jealous, and therefore decided to tear apart her relationship with Rationalist, creeped her out and is probably continually assaulting Bookie as we speak.
In addition, note that my opponent's photos are black and white or drawings. This commits the straw-man fallacy, as these photos show this is the olden days; modern asylums have improved much and no longer look like such.




See? Much better, eh?

As for other users, this is irrelevant, falling into the special pleading fallacy. We don't care about the other people, just 9spaceking going into the asylum. Take it from a different perspective--if a murderer is not caught, should we not catch any murderer? Of course not. We should catch whoever we can catch and confirm as guilty. Similarly, even if more insane people aren't put in an asylum, that does not mean we shouldn't put this sufficiently insane user into the asylum.


My arguments still stand. 9spaceking is confirmed insane, commited crimes, and should be put into the asylum.

[1] http://www.medicaldaily.com...
[2] http://www.livescience.com...
[3] http://psychcentral.com...
[4] http://www.debate.org...
dynamicduodebaters

Con

I apologize for my partner and my conduct, we both did not realize that Google documents were a huge deal, from now on we will stop using Google documents.

"Anyhow... my opponent tries to throw me off by saying that speaking different weird languages that normal Asians (not a Romanian, but an Asian) cannot speak is not insane. But 9space is deranged. He learn these languages even though they are definitely not required in the normal curriculum of his classes, nor will they ever help him, since he will never travel to Romania, speak to a Romanian, or have to talk or program in hex for any reason at all. (As verifiable from the conversation below)"

You speak English, you are Asian, how is it normal that you speak English but when an Asian speaks Romanian , it is utter chaos? I speak Hebrew, yet am I Jewish? NO! While you speaking Romanian and Hex may be useless, it does not make you crazy.

"As for bacon and eggs, 9space was clearly trolling and commiting a texas sharpshooter fallacy"

Yes, yes you were.

"insanity is actually linked to being a genius. [1][2] Thus, if you are a genius troll, you are more likely to be insane"

This is true, but you are not insane, maybe you are very intelligent, maybe you are a lame troll, but YOU ARE NOT INSANE. Maybe you act like a lunatic, but that is no reason to put you into an insane asylum.

Also I belive that your point has a bad case of Non Sequitur.

"In Latin this term translates to “doesn’t followâ€". This refers to an argument in which the conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premises. In other words, a logical connection is implied where none exists." {1}

Just because many mental patients ate intelligent does not mean that intelligence causes insanity, look at it this way, all thumbs are fingers there for all fingers are thumbs. This is why your argument fails.

"if you do something you don't want to do without being forced to, you're definitely crazy."

That is not true, we do all kinds of things we don't want do, we go to work, we don't steal nice things like Ferrari's or Diamond rings, We don't punch stupid people in the face. If we always did what we wanted to, we would give in to our animal side.

"Who goes against themselves? Certainly not sane people."

False! Again. Ever had trouble choosing what candy to buy, or what course to take at school? You are going against yourself in all of these scenarios. This is part of how emotions work, one part of you says A while the other says B. Going against yourself is perfectly human!

"Yeah well, if a friend tried to break a couple up when they were just beginning, he has to have some kind of derangement of mind."

If you like to break the relationships of others then you are probably a sadist.

"enjoyment that someone gets from being violent or cruel or from causing pain" {2}

There is a sadism disorder, however that does not make you crazy, you may just like causing others pain.

"only to challenge an even tougher opponent, the great and powerful Raisor, and boy did he lose"

So what?!? That still does not make you crazy! What does mental health have to do with challenging Raisor?

As for the symptoms, you have either given no proof to support that you display these symptoms, just remember, the majority of the BOP lies on you, and you have not given any proof that you have displayed these symptoms, and no, speaking Romanian does NOT mean that you have hallucinations, you did not give any proof that you are delusional, and true if you had split-personality disorder you would have no recollection or memory of your other personality. To be diagnosed with DID you would need to meet certain requirements including two or more personalities, amnesia, being distressed by the disorder, the disturbance has to be non-cultural and non-religious AND the disorder cannor be cause by a substance. Do you meet any of these requirements? {3}

"he has partially commited a type of crime similar to pedohiplia. He stalked Bookie and was jealous, and therefore decided to tear apart her relationship with Rationalist"

First of all, you are not a pedophile. "A person who is diagnosed with pedophilia must be at least 16 years of age" You are 15. Second, Esociabookworm is older than you, so no, you have NOT committed a crime. {4}

"note that my opponent's photos are black and white or drawings."

Alright, I cannot defend myself here because my opponent is correct, we did use a straw man, but that is no reason that that anyone who is not insane should be put there, institutions of all types including prisons and hospitals are unpleasant to be in.

" Similarly, even if more insane people aren't put in an asylum, that does not mean we shouldn't put this sufficiently insane user into the asylum."

Even if you are insane it has been proven that children and adolescents can be treated better in their homes.

"The best place for children and adolescents is at home with their families. A child or adolescent with mental illness should be treated in the safest and least restrictive environment and needed services should be “wrapped-around” to provide more intensive home or community-based services." {5}

"My arguments still stand. 9spaceking is confirmed insane, commited crimes, and should be put into the asylum."

Nope!

I am running out of room so I can't say much more. Good luck pro.

{1}http://www.theskepticsguide.org...
{2}http://www.merriam-webster.com...
{3}http://en.wikipedia.org...
{4}http://www.webmd.com...
{5}http://www.aacap.org...

DDD
Debate Round No. 3
9spaceking

Pro

Final round.
" While you speaking Romanian and Hex may be useless, it does not make you crazy." But it does. It shows how 9space's mind is different from others. He never had to learn these to help him, and these languages have yet to help him in his life. They don't help, will not help, and because 9space learned something useless on purpose, it is proof that he is deranged and insane.

"Just because many mental patients ate intelligent does not mean that intelligence causes insanity, look at it this way, all thumbs are fingers there for all fingers are thumbs. This is why your argument fails." Yeah, I spotted that fallacy too. Good job.

"If we always did what we wanted to, we would give in to our animal side." Exactly. 9space seems to be always romping around damaging people with his insults (source [1] just shows one example) and trolling the heck out of all those noobs I mentioned beforehand.

"Going against yourself is perfectly human!" But no proof suggests that if one posts randomly on a forum and attacks oneself, setting up "traps" to get your alter ego to fall into those "traps", this is definitely deranged and insane.

"If you like to break the relationships of others then you are probably a sadist." And as the majority of people aren't sadist, 9space is evidently the minority who does not think the same way as others, fulfilling the definition of insanity.

Sadism disorder does not make you crazy.... So you're saying that Jigsaw is a person in his right mind of state. Uh-huh. Totally believable.

"What does mental health have to do with challenging Raisor?" You're right, it doesn't
9spaceking is not a pedohile...good catch. I must drop my arguments.

" A child or adolescent with mental illness should be treated in the safest and least restrictive environment and needed services should be “wrapped-around” to provide more intensive home or community-based services"....
Nice. That was the core point I was looking for in your arguments. A good counterplan against sending 9spaceking into the insane asylum.

IN CONCLUSION...
-I concede. Vote my opponent(s), give them argument points
-It was fun debating against DDD about such a crazy weird topic
-My trollish arguments did not work well against my opponents' serious arguments
-Good job, DDD. I hope to debate you again sometime about a more serious topic.
-Good debate. I liked it. :D

[1] http://www.debate.org...

dynamicduodebaters

Con

(Introduction)

I will do some rebuttals though my opponent conceded. In advance, I thank 9spaceking for this debate

(Rebuttals)

"But it does. It shows how 9space's mind is different from others. He never had to learn these to help him, and these languages have yet to help him in his life. They don't help, will not help, and because 9space learned something useless on purpose, it is proof that he is deranged and insane."

Ok, but I can think of multiple uses for you with those languages.

a) this debate

b) bragging rights- Because no one else speaks it you get to brag

c) they can help in Romania!

d) You did a debate in Hex, that is a useful thing.

"Exactly. 9space seems to be always romping around damaging people with his insults (source [1] just shows one example) and trolling the heck out of all those noobs I mentioned beforehand."

Uh....great.

"But no proof suggests that if one posts randomly on a forum and attacks oneself, setting up "traps" to get your alter ego to fall into those "traps", this is definitely deranged and insane."

There ain't no proof showing that that is insane either...

"And as the majority of people aren't sadist, 9space is evidently the minority who does not think the same way as others, fulfilling the definition of insanity."

So you are saying that because 9space is part of a minority he is insane. What the heck? I see no logic in that at all. That's like saying, "I am an atheist, I am a minority, all atheists are insane." Just doesn't work eh?


1st example of concession: "Yeah, I spotted that fallacy too. Good job."

2nd example of concession: "You're right, it doesn't
9spaceking is not a pedophile...good catch. I must drop my arguments."

3rd example of concession: "Nice. That was the core point I was looking for in your arguments. A good counterplan against sending 9spaceking into the insane asylum."

4th example of concession: "I concede. Vote my opponent(s), give them argument points...My trollish arguments did not work well against my opponents' serious arguments"

(Conclusion)

My opponent conceded the debate. You can give him the single conduct but he explicitly says to give us arguments point. Thank you 9spaceking, Jack, Whatever, for debating.

DDD


Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Comrade_Silly_Otter 2 years ago
Comrade_Silly_Otter
Just drop him off at my house.
Posted by Max.Wallace 2 years ago
Max.Wallace
9spaceking and I should be next door neighbors!
Posted by dynamicduodebaters 2 years ago
dynamicduodebaters
2500 elo
Posted by SamStevens 2 years ago
SamStevens
What is the Elo rstriction regarding the voting?
Posted by Shadow-Dragon 2 years ago
Shadow-Dragon
I was talking to 9space. He claims he is a master troll and an infamous one. He is neither, so he should step off his nonexistent pedestal.
Posted by debate_power 2 years ago
debate_power
Well, if he is put in an asylum, let's hope there are no computers there.
Posted by debate_power 2 years ago
debate_power
Why even bring up insanity? He's just a really good troll.
Posted by dynamicduodebaters 2 years ago
dynamicduodebaters
me? I know.
Posted by Shadow-Dragon 2 years ago
Shadow-Dragon
I'm sorry, but you are not an infamous troll, nor are you some kind of master troll either.
Posted by dynamicduodebaters 2 years ago
dynamicduodebaters
uh
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Vote Placed by zmikecuber 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro gets conduct since Con used google docs. However, Pro conceded so args to Con.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con used Comic Sans and Google Docs. Horrid. But concession.
Vote Placed by iamanatheistandthisiswhy 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Concession so Con gets argument points as requested. I am giving conduct points to Pro for the Google docs usage. The reason being you may actually have been over the word limit. Fun debate.
Vote Placed by LDPOFODebATeR0328 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Concession... It was a "great" debate, though.