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Multi-Wargasm
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The View Of Christian Marriage Is More Beautiful Than The Islamic View Of Marriage

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Started: 12/3/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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arabrab

Pro

The Christian Marriage Is Superior Over Islamic Marriage.
Multi-Wargasm

Con

I accept your challenge, with the notion that neither form of marriage is superior than the other and that both, ultimately, serve purely utilitarian functions in regards to society and culture.
Debate Round No. 1
arabrab

Pro

I wish to compare the relationship, roles, and values, between a Christian marriage and an Islamic marriage. I do not wish to argue the functions of marriage itself. If you believe that marriage in both faiths is equal than you can try to prove that to me I suppose. If it interests you.
Multi-Wargasm

Con

I will debate you based on your concepts of roles, values and relationships. From what I know, marriage is a religious lawful union of love and mutual respect between man and woman that wish to express that love to the ends of bearing offspring. I cannot say that there is any difference between the Muslim religion and the Christian religion in these regards and thus, can only consider them as equal in their concept.
Debate Round No. 2
arabrab

Pro

Eve was taken from the rib of Adam and she was bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh. Adam took Eve and the two became ONE flesh. Adam represents the Christ and Eve represents the church. This is the core of a biblical marriage.

The Lord said that a man who finds a wife finds treasure and favor with him. God has intended mankind to be partnered for life if it is his will for that particular individual.

Now to the great stuff! In Christianity, the husband is to love his wife like Christ loved his church. He is to lay his life down for her. The wife is to follow her husband as the Church follows Christ. If the husband is loving the wife as Christ loved us and the wife follows her husband as the Church follows Christ we have a perfect blue print to follow regarding marriage. However, a wife is never to follow her husband in a way that would be sinful and the husband would need to be corrected by family, friends, or the church community.

Divorce is simply not an option unless adultery has been committed. The Christ said,

And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, commits adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another adultery." "Mark 1:1-12

In Islam a man CAN marry up to four wives. No special union there. The wife can only have one husband. This places the marriage union already in a bad position. It is stressful for a woman to wonder if her husband will ever take more wives and divide his love and time with others. This whole theory in itself makes marriage not special, not holy, not to be cherished, unloving, cruel, hurtful, everything that love is not. Even if this a rare practice it is still allowed and undermines the whole essence of two people joining together in love.

In Islam divorce is permitted on both sides but it is much easier for a man to throw his wife away. Allowing divorce is to not value the institution of marriage itself. What is the value of being married when you can be so easily discarded? How can any marriage truly have a strong foundation within itself knowing that your holy text allows for this foundation to be demolished for whatever reason?

In Islam temporary marriages are allowed. Mutah wives in the Shi'a branch and Nikah wives in the Sunni branch. What does this kind of marriage signal to women and marriage? It is a complete disgrace to allow women to be a temporary wife for worldy pleasure.

Christian marriage is holy before God. It is something to be cherished and fought for. It is something to go into cautiously with prayer and guidance. In Islam marriage is just hooking up and if all goes well than great. If not, hey there is always divorce.
Multi-Wargasm

Con

I believe a major fallacy in your argument is that Islam follows both the Old Testament, New Testament and the Koran. Likewise, much of the beautiful sentiment found in the Bible is also encompassed by Islamic doctrine. Adam and Eve and the story of the rib is also considered as a Islamic belief.

Also, whilst I understand your concern for bigamy, you are forming an opinion of an alien cultural tradition based on your own respective alien cultural ideology. You state that it is "bad", "not special", "unloving", "cruel", "hurtful", "everything that love is not". All these are fallacies of generalisation. Who are you to know it is stressful? Indeed, if you found you were in a marriage with three other wives, you might find it stressful, but, again, you are basing your opinions on your own inherent ideologies. Worst still, you are basing them on your own religious ideologies by saying that it is 'unholy'. Wives in polygamous marriages may agree with you if they find their marriage hurtful or cruel, yet many in healthy polygamous marriages would disagree and may also be offended by such generalisations of both their marriage and their religion.

I can make the assumption that you are Christian. I could outlined the Biblical references in the comment section which clearly undermines your argument that divorce is a bad thing which Islam is guilty of, whilst Christianity allows the same thing. However, I will consider your concept of divorce. Again, you are treating this subjectively. Islam stresses the importance of marriage as much as Christianity and like Christianity, many of the doctrines in Islam are not followed. In some sects, even abolished, as is the case with temporary marriage. You ask how a marriage could be so easily be discarded. In what case? Whatever that case might be, divorce is considered as the final option. Not the get out of jail free card.

Your final statement is also a generalisation. 'Hooking up' being prominent among them. You assume that love is exclusive to Christian marriages, 'to be cherished and fought for', implying that Muslim's cannot attain this through their own respective beliefs on matrimony. In conclusion, your entire argument is subjective to a female Christian point of view with no attempt to understand a foreign culture on its own terms and as such, your argument is riddled with generalisations of a rose-tinted point of view.
Debate Round No. 3
arabrab

Pro

arabrab forfeited this round.
Multi-Wargasm

Con

I'm batman...
Debate Round No. 4
arabrab

Pro

arabrab forfeited this round.
Multi-Wargasm

Con

...batman...
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by MyDinosaurHands 3 years ago
MyDinosaurHands
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Posted by Multi-Wargasm 3 years ago
Multi-Wargasm
The cultural thing is actually a fact I'm afraid. I wouldn't call you a hateful person. Only ignorant. If salvation is in Christ then what happens to those who cannot find him? Two thousand years ago he walked about and preached the truth. Yet it was not until the 18th century when missionaries came to South East Asia. Were those of the island, polygamous and marriage and polytheistic in deity, doomed to hell because Europe took so long to show them Christ? Were the Vikings of Norse mythology doomed to hell because they had never seen Christ? There are Christians all over the world, but they put too much stock in the laws of men outlined in the Bible and not actual message Christ taught. Unfortunately you are one of those people: "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven." It seems to me that you are a Christian that does not follow Christ. You cannot use the Bible to judge others. Only yourself.

As for the weaker vessel. You are not weak. Do not justify your weakness with metaphors. You have as much right to this world as anyone else for the simple fact you are here and misogynistic laws in an aged tome do not decide who you are. Follow Christ. Do not worship him and do not worship a book.
Posted by independentthought 3 years ago
independentthought
ETHNIC. Beliefs are in many cases stronger than religious ones. The worst and most destructive war in history fought between people of same religion and race yet still found something to hate each other about.
Posted by independentthought 3 years ago
independentthought
You should be exposed for the hateful person you are; please try to commit to fair debate which is meant to foster understanding and peace. You obviously don't want that; with blatant statements like was Mohammed a pedophile, obviously can't be proven. Rather you should be asking do I want to understand a religion being followed. Y over a billion of the earths population, maybe you can learn something. Maybe you can contribute to love and understanding not this backwards nonsense you learned from your Pennsylvania farm.
Posted by arabrab 3 years ago
arabrab
I cannot post my debate now but everything you stated is an absolute fact. I am the weaker vessel. The weak vessels of the time held the finest and most delicate belongings. This is how God designed us.

Women are not to have spiritual authority over men. Should the church have spiritual authority over God? Of course not! This is the design and plan.

The Bible states we are slaves to nothing which means we can dress ourselves according to how we believe it would be pleasing to God. The head coverings in Christianity have always been to remember that God is above you and it is a symbol. Paul writes to a church in this letter where the women of the church have caused many problems by gossiping.

There are Christians all over the world. The cultural thing is nonsense. When you marry more than one wife you lose all that sacred. You are giving yourself away. The purity is gone.

Your beliefs define who you will become.
Posted by independentthought 3 years ago
independentthought
IT MATTERS WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE, NOT WHAT KIND OF RELIGION YOU FOLLOw
Posted by independentthought 3 years ago
independentthought
The Bible calls women the "weaker vessel," and forbids them to speak in church or to be in authority over men. It also commands them to wear head coverings, to have long hair, and to be at home. Is it any wonder women were not treated as equals when people believe these are commands directly from God?
Posted by independentthought 3 years ago
independentthought
Biblical Teaching on Women and Divorce
[Women] are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission.
1 Cor. 14
Jesus, when asked about divorce, said, "whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery" (Matt. 19:9).
The Apostle Paul, when discussing women, said they "should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission" (1 Cor. 14). He also commanded women to be submissive to their husbands " in the same section he commands slaves to be submissive to their masters (Titus 2), making what most enlightened people would consider an uncomfortable parallel.
Posted by arabrab 3 years ago
arabrab
Eve was taken from the rib of Adam and she was bone of his bones and flesh of his flesh. Adam took Eve and the two became ONE flesh. Adam represents the Christ and Eve represents the church. This is the core of a biblical marriage.

The Lord said that a man who finds a wife finds treasure and favor with him. God has intended mankind to be partnered for life if it is his will for that particular individual.

Now to the great stuff! In Christianity, the husband is to love his wife like Christ loved his church. He is to lay his life down for her. The wife is to follow her husband as the Church follows Christ. If the husband is loving the wife as Christ loved us and the wife follows her husband as the Church follows Christ we have a perfect blue print to follow regarding marriage. However, a wife is never to follow her husband in a way that would be sinful and the husband would need to be corrected by family, friends, or the church community.

Divorce is simply not an option unless adultery has been committed. The Christ said,

And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, commits adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another adultery." "Mark 1:1-12

UGH ran out of room! I would like to address the Islamic marriage now in comparison.
Posted by Multi-Wargasm 3 years ago
Multi-Wargasm
Ron Paul's a chief, but not because he's a Christian
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