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Scorchtheblaze
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The Virgin Mary is a queen bee

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Started: 11/14/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Akhenaten

Pro

I contend that the Virgin Mary idea is based on the queen bee.
Scorchtheblaze

Con

I will accept this very confusing debate in which I contend that the Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus Christ, is not a "Queen Bee"

I will turn this over to Pro so that he can explain this debate.
Debate Round No. 1
Akhenaten

Pro

The Virgin Mary is just a representation of the queen bee. Ancient people thought that the queen bee was a virgin because they didn't have the technology to follow the queen bee in flight. Note - The queen bee mates with drones while in flight so it is difficult to observe this mating. Thus, the idea of the immaculate conception came about because ancient people thought that the queen bee was a virgin and gave birth without any sex. Thus, the Virgin Mary is just a symbol of the concept of virgin birth which was thought of as some kind of a religious miracle.

http://www.theguardian.com...

https://books.google.com.au...
Scorchtheblaze

Con

Definition:

Virgin Mary - Viewed by Christians and the Bible as being the mother of Jesus who was miraculously conceived while Mary was still a virgin. [1]

Queen Bee - The single reproductive female in a hive or colony of honeybees. [2]

Rebuttals:

"The Virgin Mary is just a representation of the queen bee. Ancient people thought that the queen bee was a virgin because they didn't have the technology to follow the queen bee in flight." Pro implies that since the ancients did not have the technology back then to keep up with the way a queen bee mates that they assumed she gave birth without engaging in sexual activities. However, thanks to the technology that can be found in our world today, we can see that the queen bee does engage in sexual activities in order to reproduce [3].

"Thus, the idea of the immaculate conception came about because ancient people thought that the queen bee was a virgin and gave birth without any sex." Pro explains how the theory of the Virgin Mary is a representation or symbol of the queen bee as the ancients believed that the queen gave birth without any sexual interaction with other bees. However, in the video that Pro put for his sources, we can see how the queen interacts with those found within the swarm as the video shows how the queen will have sexual interactions with the other bees found within the swarm.

"Thus, the Virgin Mary is just a symbol of the concept of virgin birth which was thought of as some kind of a religious miracle" Pro states that the Virgin Mary is just a symbol of virgin birth and the virgin birth was some sort of religious miracle that took place in the bible. Pro is right in this instance due to the fact that the Virgin Mary is in fact a symbol of virgin birth for she was heavily favored by the lord to remain a virgin but carry the son of God.

"And Mary said to the angel, "How will this be, since I am a virgin? And the angel answered her, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy""the Son of God." Luke 1:34-35 [4]

Arguments:

The topic of this debate is that the Virgin Mary is a queen bee which means that the Virgin Mary is seen as a single reproductive female according to the definition of a queen bee. Allow me to switch the sides of the this debate when I say the bee is seen as a representation of Virgin Mary rather than the Virgin Mary is a representation of the queen bee.

The bee is often seen as a symbol of virginity as the working bees have no part in the reproduction of the species except for feeding the babies. The reproduction is often done by the queen bees and the drones which leads to the reproduction of more bees that will eventually be took care of by the worker bees [5]. Therefore, the Virgin Mary is not seen as a representation of a queen bee for the queen bee does in fact have sexual relations with the drones in her colony while the Virgin Mary never had any sexual relations with Joseph or any other man for that matter.

1. http://dictionary.reference.com...
2. http://dictionary.reference.com...
3. http://www.theguardian.com...
4. http://www.openbible.info...
5. http://catholicism.org...
Debate Round No. 2
Akhenaten

Pro

My opponents reply is illogical. He states that the Virgin Mary just uses the queen bee concept as a natural example of virginity. I have clearly demonstrated that the queen bee does in fact have sexual intercourse with drones. Thus, the ancient religious clergy had got it wrong and have falsely associated the Virgin Mary with the queen bee.

It does not state anywhere in the scriptures that the queen bee has anything to do with the Virgin Mary. This is just a modern day interpretation by some members of the clergy.

It should be noted that the Bible is full of natural analogies which follow the seasons of nature. Christians celebrate Christmas on the winter solstice. They celebrate Easter when the sun-god has defeated the god of night ( both pagan beliefs)

Jesus is a symbol of the sun. He died on the cross. (That's the Southern Cross in northern hemisphere) Note - The southern cross points to the horizon during the 23rd to 25th of December period. Note the sun takes 3 days to change direction from a southerly direction to a northerly direction. Thus, Jesus is just a symbol of the sun which is reborn after 3 days.

We can plainly see that the Bible is just an analogy of nature in all respects. Thus, the Virgin Mary and the queen bee is just another of these many natural analogies. Thus, the Bible could be said to be a guide book on the seasons and characteristics of nature. Thus, Christianity is essentially a pagan sun/nature worshipping religion.

https://books.google.com.au...

http://jesusastrotheology.com...
Scorchtheblaze

Con

I honestly don't understand the debate as we had gone from talking about the Virgin Mary to Christianity is a sun worshiping religion.

"It does not state anywhere in the scriptures that the queen bee has anything to do with the Virgin Mary. This is just a modern day interpretation by some members of the clergy." Pro has basically contradicted himself as he is arguing that the Virgin Mary is a queen bee and he has clearly stated that the Virgin Mary is not a queen bee but it is instead a modern day interpretation.

"It should be noted that the Bible is full of natural analogies which follow the seasons of nature. Christians celebrate Christmas on the winter solstice. They celebrate Easter when the sun-god has defeated the god of night ( both pagan beliefs)" This has nothing to do with the argument at hand in which we are arguing if the Virgin Mary is a queen bee, not what Christians, like myself, celebrate and when they celebrate.

"Jesus is a symbol of the sun. He died on the cross. (That's the Southern Cross in northern hemisphere) Note - The southern cross points to the horizon during the 23rd to 25th of December period. Note the sun takes 3 days to change direction from a southerly direction to a northerly direction. Thus, Jesus is just a symbol of the sun which is reborn after 3 days." Pro has still yet to say anything about the Virgin Mary being a queen bee as he states that Jesus is a symbol of the sun, he died on the cross, and the cross points to the horizon during the 23rd to 25th of December.

"We can plainly see that the Bible is just an analogy of nature in all respects. Thus, the Virgin Mary and the queen bee is just another of these many natural analogies. Thus, the Bible could be said to be a guide book on the seasons and characteristics of nature. Thus, Christianity is essentially a pagan sun/nature worshiping religion." Pro, after presenting an argument relating nothing to the debate at hand, says that the Virgin Mary and the queen bee is just another analogy even though he said at the beginning, "It does not state anywhere in the scriptures that the queen bee has anything to do with the Virgin Mary. This is just a modern day interpretation by some members of the clergy." Pro then makes an attempt to say something about the religion of Christianity by calling it a "sun worshiping religion" instead of saying anything else about the Virgin Mary and how she is related to a queen bee.

In conclusion, the queen bee and the Virgin Mary have nothing alike for the Virgin Mary had no sexual interactions with Joseph to give birth to Jesus Christ, the queen bee has to have sexual interactions with drones, and Pro has said in his debate that the queen bee has nothing to do with the Virgin Mary.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by YourMomoness 1 year ago
YourMomoness
I'm not sure how to take that. From the person who posted a completely nonsensical debate and then proceeded to change the debate topic in mid argument, and then made very disparaging remarks about things they do not understand. So, to be honest, I think you, Akhenaten (which, by the way is typically spelled Akhenaton) are a falsely represented, jerky, ungracious, snob. I do not usually use such strong words, however i think it is justified.
Posted by Akhenaten 1 year ago
Akhenaten
Thank goodness you can't vote!
Posted by YourMomoness 1 year ago
YourMomoness
I would have voted if I could, I'm new and some of my debates have not updated yet or I would be able to.
Posted by YourMomoness 1 year ago
YourMomoness
You simply can't do it that way.
Posted by YourMomoness 1 year ago
YourMomoness
What do you mean, 'catch an idiot'? Many people would find that outrageously insulting. No matter what you where trying to do, it didn't work, and it didn't make sense.
Posted by Akhenaten 1 year ago
Akhenaten
I was trying to catch out some fanatical Christian. If you want to catch an idiot, you need to put out a little honey trap! lol!
Posted by Scorchtheblaze 1 year ago
Scorchtheblaze
She has a point, you could have put that as the title as opposed to "The Virgin Mary is a Queen Bee". DDDDDEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
Posted by YourMomoness 1 year ago
YourMomoness
Explaining, not stretching. Please excuse the typo.
Posted by YourMomoness 1 year ago
YourMomoness
That is nothing like what you said. At all. If you had said that at the beginning you could have actually had a good debate, instead you made things confusing by not stretching at the beginning.
Posted by Akhenaten 1 year ago
Akhenaten
I am showing that natural analogies are common in Christianity. Deeeeeeeeeeerrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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