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potatolover
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The War On Terror Should Stop And Spend The Money On Fixing The U.S.A.

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Started: 5/19/2011 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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soldieroffortune

Pro

Pull out of all the wars we are involved in and spend the money on our own country. We have fallen behind in education, health care, and other aspects its time we help our own people. If we cant fix ourselves how can we fix others......
potatolover

Con

This whould prove to be a fun debate and I wish my opponent well
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My argument will be posted in the second round after the Pro has given his reasons and/or definitions
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Back to you Pro

Debate Round No. 1
soldieroffortune

Pro

This is my first debate on this site i am not a professional.
potatolover

Con

Ok Then I will go over the Pro's points and argue them:
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First off with the spending of the U.S. Dollar is causing us to fall behind.
What are we falling behind on?
I am going to put it this way, Say you leader of a group of important people and one of these people falls behind and is not able to reap any kind of benefit and you have the know how to get that person to get a better life. Shouldn't it be the leaders job and responsibility to help the person into gaining those benefits of life? Now lets put that with the U.S. We are the leading country of the world militarily, as the leader it is our responsibility to help those who don't have their full potential out. Just as the leader of the people should help if able, the U.S. should help as the leader. Other wise we forfeit our role as leader because we are unable to help others.

Ok lets go to spending the money on our own country:
The U.S. Government has raised the debt threshold time and time again so that we can borrow money from other countries. If you want the money to be spent elsewhere we take it from the job that America was meant for and get our leadership aka the Government to stop borrowing money and focus and helping our economy for the better.

Ok now one of my favorite subjects to argue about:
Health care:
What is health care, well it is a privilege. No health care is not a right. How have we fallen behind in health care? This can be answered very simply by the universal health care bill. What does this do? I caused the Government to spend money on the people who can't spare a dime. Because the American people can't pay for this what do they do? They borrow money from other countries. Again this proves my point about wasting our money. Now you may think, but what about the poor people who can't pay for it. Did you know that most of the people who get on a government paid program like to stay there because it means no work for them. Lets face it most people are lazy. Don;t get me wrong the people working and trying to get out of poverty are going to get out soon enough. others though will stay and suck up our taxes. You say our money is wasted on the military, look to America and see what is truly causing this.

On to your point about fixing ourselves and that we can't fix others:
My previous points explain the way to fix ourselves not phasing out the military. The military should stay strong as it always has. tapering with it causes an unbalance in the global affairs. Look to America fix what it here.

I have never disagreed with helping other, but if these people we are trying to help in America are taking the money and not tying to help themselves. Why I ask are we supposed to continue giving then more money through more bills and now health care.

And now on the education:
You have failed to explain how this is failing so I will simply say it is not. Until a argument is posted that will prove that wrong.
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Sources:
http://www.twq.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
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With this I turn over the floor to the Pro
Debate Round No. 2
soldieroffortune

Pro

I agree there are many who are lazy. But I disagree with building schools in afganistan and Iraq when our own education system fails so horribly if we can't provide children with knowledge to keep up with the rest of the world they will end up failing. We bail out banks but to bail out our people is welfare when did it become such a task to help our own. banks created this mess sure they will pay with intrest do we not expect the same from our fellow Americans.
Not all the poor are lazy you can find a job but at minum wage how would you expect to support a family. By withdrawing from
Afganistan we would be able to disrupt the terrorists because they will be unable to pay a poor farmer to attack the armys in there land.
they would have to consolidate their efforts to attack soldiers and Americans in other countries. We have already beefed up security in many other nations which would cause the terrorists to expend more money. These attacks are easier to spot so easier to prevent. I was in the military I saw why some of these people become terrorists either they were poor or we killed one of their family members in collateral damage. But we can prevent the unnessary deths of civillians. Plus the military is very inefficient maybe we could create small units well trained in combating terrorism instead of units untrained in the language and culture. My thoughts are very unorganized because I am drunk but I hope this makes sense.
potatolover

Con

Okay I'll start refuting my opponents argument and proving why my argument stands.

First off-
The education problem of today's debate has been not very clear so I will put a few statements on that matter.
Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org...
This source here explains how our educational system is actually doing quite well contrary to the Pro's thoughts. Also the debate topic i pulling away troops from the war on terror so I'm not sure how building schools today has anything to do with the military and it's involvement in the war on terror.

Secondly with our "failing banks"
Sources: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...
According to this our banks are doing fine so what is the deal? Well though employment my be down as long as our banks are okay we will overcome this and everything will be fixed. So our banks are fine therefore America will be okay in the end contrary to the Pro's thoughts.

Thirdly with the terrorists not able to get money if America pulls out.
Sources: http://www.cnn.com...
Taliban poppy supply it's plain and simple. The Taliban are getting their money from these poppy seeds not the U.S. military so even if we leave they will get even more money then ever. It is better for us to stay and finish the job.
You say that the terrorists are not able to get money and are poor, but they are getting tons of money form these poppy seeds which proves my case even further.
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Okay to restate my case which seems to stand even more now.

First off with the spending of the U.S. Dollar is causing us to fall behind.
What are we falling behind on?
I am going to put it this way, Say you leader of a group of important people and one of these people falls behind and is not able to reap any kind of benefit and you have the know how to get that person to get a better life. Shouldn't it be the leaders job and responsibility to help the person into gaining those benefits of life? Now lets put that with the U.S. We are the leading country of the world militarily, as the leader it is our responsibility to help those who don't have their full potential out. Just as the leader of the people should help if able, the U.S. should help as the leader. Other wise we forfeit our role as leader because we are unable to help others.

Okay lets go to spending the money on our own country:
The U.S. Government has raised the debt threshold time and time again so that we can borrow money from other countries. If you want the money to be spent elsewhere we take it from the job that America was meant for and get our leadership aka the Government to stop borrowing money and focus and helping our economy for the better.

Okay now one of my favorite subjects to argue about:
Health care:
What is health care, well it is a privilege. No health care is not a right. How have we fallen behind in health care? This can be answered very simply by the universal health care bill. What does this do? I caused the Government to spend money on the people who can't spare a dime. Because the American people can't pay for this what do they do? They borrow money from other countries. Again this proves my point about wasting our money. Now you may think, but what about the poor people who can't pay for it. Did you know that most of the people who get on a government paid program like to stay there because it means no work for them. Lets face it most people are lazy. Don;t get me wrong the people working and trying to get out of poverty are going to get out soon enough. others though will stay and suck up our taxes. You say our money is wasted on the military, look to America and see what is truly causing this.

On to your point about fixing ourselves and that we can't fix others:
My previous points explain the way to fix ourselves not phasing out the military. The military should stay strong as it always has. tapering with it causes an unbalance in the global affairs. Look to America fix what it here.

I have never disagreed with helping other, but if these people we are trying to help in America are taking the money and not tying to help themselves. Why I ask are we supposed to continue giving then more money through more bills and now health care.

And now on the education:
I have proved this point with my first point of my rebuttal so there is not need to restate it in the same argument.
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Sources:
http://www.twq.com......
http://en.wikipedia.org......
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With this I turn over the floor to the Pro
Debate Round No. 3
soldieroffortune

Pro

soldieroffortune forfeited this round.
potatolover

Con

Okay I'll start refuting my opponents argument and proving why my argument stands.

First off-
The education problem of today's debate has been not very clear so I will put a few statements on that matter.
Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org......
This source here explains how our educational system is actually doing quite well contrary to the Pro's thoughts. Also the debate topic i pulling away troops from the war on terror so I'm not sure how building schools today has anything to do with the military and it's involvement in the war on terror.

Secondly with our "failing banks"
Sources: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com......
According to this our banks are doing fine so what is the deal? Well though employment my be down as long as our banks are okay we will overcome this and everything will be fixed. So our banks are fine therefore America will be okay in the end contrary to the Pro's thoughts.

Thirdly with the terrorists not able to get money if America pulls out.
Sources: http://www.cnn.com......
Taliban poppy supply it's plain and simple. The Taliban are getting their money from these poppy seeds not the U.S. military so even if we leave they will get even more money then ever. It is better for us to stay and finish the job.
You say that the terrorists are not able to get money and are poor, but they are getting tons of money form these poppy seeds which proves my case even further.
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Okay to restate my case which seems to stand even more now.

First off with the spending of the U.S. Dollar is causing us to fall behind.
What are we falling behind on?
I am going to put it this way, Say you leader of a group of important people and one of these people falls behind and is not able to reap any kind of benefit and you have the know how to get that person to get a better life. Shouldn't it be the leaders job and responsibility to help the person into gaining those benefits of life? Now lets put that with the U.S. We are the leading country of the world militarily, as the leader it is our responsibility to help those who don't have their full potential out. Just as the leader of the people should help if able, the U.S. should help as the leader. Other wise we forfeit our role as leader because we are unable to help others.

Okay lets go to spending the money on our own country:
The U.S. Government has raised the debt threshold time and time again so that we can borrow money from other countries. If you want the money to be spent elsewhere we take it from the job that America was meant for and get our leadership aka the Government to stop borrowing money and focus and helping our economy for the better.

Okay now one of my favorite subjects to argue about:
Health care:
What is health care, well it is a privilege. No health care is not a right. How have we fallen behind in health care? This can be answered very simply by the universal health care bill. What does this do? I caused the Government to spend money on the people who can't spare a dime. Because the American people can't pay for this what do they do? They borrow money from other countries. Again this proves my point about wasting our money. Now you may think, but what about the poor people who can't pay for it. Did you know that most of the people who get on a government paid program like to stay there because it means no work for them. Lets face it most people are lazy. Don;t get me wrong the people working and trying to get out of poverty are going to get out soon enough. others though will stay and suck up our taxes. You say our money is wasted on the military, look to America and see what is truly causing this.

On to your point about fixing ourselves and that we can't fix others:
My previous points explain the way to fix ourselves not phasing out the military. The military should stay strong as it always has. tapering with it causes an unbalance in the global affairs. Look to America fix what it here.

I have never disagreed with helping other, but if these people we are trying to help in America are taking the money and not tying to help themselves. Why I ask are we supposed to continue giving then more money through more bills and now health care.

And now on the education:
I have proved this point with my first point of my rebuttal so there is not need to restate it in the same argument.
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Sources:
http://www.twq.com.........
http://en.wikipedia.org.........
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This is a restatement of my previous arguments.

I understand my opponent did not see that it was his turn to argue and I'm open to your rebuttal whenever you are ready.

Pro you have the floor now.
Debate Round No. 4
soldieroffortune

Pro

I don't know how you can compare attainment to quality. The U.S. education system is easier so of course they can attain a higher education. If we are not able to beef up the system we will be surpassed.
http://www.npr.org...
http://archive.newsmax.com...
Not Wikipedia

Did you know every person in the united states is $177,775 in debt if you were to divide the national debt .
http://www.usdebtclock.org...

Ok, So we bailed out the banks i never said that was a bad thing. What i did say is that we can bail out banks but not our own people. I don't care what Wikipedia article you post references for I see it every day people not on unemployment working low paying jobs suffering trying to make it. They lost their houses because it took the U.S. to long to act while the banks that created this mess profit like crazy. you don't know whats going on in the world just keep on watching your fox news and being brain washed.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.nationalhomeless.org...

Oh the poor have health care you don't know what the @#$ you are talking about. There are many poor that don have or qualify for health care. And medicare/Medicaid you think that is quality health care!!! Oh you are also @#$%# if you are a unemployed single male white black or anyother color.
http://www.cbpp.org...
http://www.urban.org...
http://www.commondreams.org...

OMG @#$%^$ Afghanistan is a waste of our time and soldiers. You think poppy only comes from Afghanistan It is widely grown as an ornamental flower throughout Europe, North America, South America, and Asia.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Paying farmers not to plant poppy would essentially supplant U.S. cash for the fees paid up front by the Taliban to its contract farmers. The idea seems to follow logically from the administration's policy of protecting Afghan civilians and eroding support for the insurgency, but skeptics say it won't work because farmers would take the money and plant poppies anyway. YOUR AN #$%^ THIS WONT WORK
http://www.militarytimes.com...

YOU HAVE NO CLUE OR EXPERIENCE
potatolover

Con

Okay to go over each of my opponent points and give voters.
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Yes I do know that if we were to divide the debt it would cost us a lot, but who is to blame for that action? Our government at the moment continues to try and get even more debt by spending more and more money. Just now they tried to raise the debt limit another few trillion. You want a debt fixed? Change the people in government.

Second-
This debate is not for insulting people and on a personal note I am aware of all the news from different reporters and personally they all have a bit of lies. Yes it took too long to get the banks out, do you know why? Democrats and their liberal friends where too worried about their health care bill and let the people of America suffer. You won't find that any news reporters, but if you look at what is truly happening in America you can see it.

Third-
Health care: No I do not think that Medicare is good at all frankly no system of health care is working, but this new health care is proven to fail even worse to the rest. Oh I wish we could go back to the days that people would work to survive otherwise they would die. Without this need to work why would we? This is were the health care system comes in that they want to put in. People who are poor will pay nothing to get health care and cause them to not work at all. You won't find that on any news station either.

Fourth-
Again I did not say to pay the farmers to not produce poppy, and I do agree that is completely stupid. Now Afghanistan is the leading producer of poppy seeds in the world, but not the only one. Still though they produce more than any other country.
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Okay to restate my argument from each speech I made.

First off-
The education problem of today's debate has been not very clear so I will put a few statements on that matter.
Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org.........
This source here explains how our educational system is actually doing quite well contrary to the Pro's thoughts. Also the debate topic i pulling away troops from the war on terror so I'm not sure how building schools today has anything to do with the military and it's involvement in the war on terror.

Secondly with our "failing banks"
Sources: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com.........
According to this our banks are doing fine so what is the deal? Well though employment my be down as long as our banks are okay we will overcome this and everything will be fixed. So our banks are fine therefore America will be okay in the end contrary to the Pro's thoughts.

Thirdly with the terrorists not able to get money if America pulls out.
Sources: http://www.cnn.com.........
Taliban poppy supply it's plain and simple. The Taliban are getting their money from these poppy seeds not the U.S. military so even if we leave they will get even more money then ever. It is better for us to stay and finish the job.
You say that the terrorists are not able to get money and are poor, but they are getting tons of money form these poppy seeds which proves my case even further.
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Okay to restate my case which seems to stand even more now.

First off with the spending of the U.S. Dollar is causing us to fall behind.
What are we falling behind on?
I am going to put it this way, Say you leader of a group of important people and one of these people falls behind and is not able to reap any kind of benefit and you have the know how to get that person to get a better life. Shouldn't it be the leaders job and responsibility to help the person into gaining those benefits of life? Now lets put that with the U.S. We are the leading country of the world militarily, as the leader it is our responsibility to help those who don't have their full potential out. Just as the leader of the people should help if able, the U.S. should help as the leader. Other wise we forfeit our role as leader because we are unable to help others.

Okay lets go to spending the money on our own country:
The U.S. Government has raised the debt threshold time and time again so that we can borrow money from other countries. If you want the money to be spent elsewhere we take it from the job that America was meant for and get our leadership aka the Government to stop borrowing money and focus and helping our economy for the better.

Okay now one of my favorite subjects to argue about:
Health care:
What is health care, well it is a privilege. No health care is not a right. How have we fallen behind in health care? This can be answered very simply by the universal health care bill. What does this do? I caused the Government to spend money on the people who can't spare a dime. Because the American people can't pay for this what do they do? They borrow money from other countries. Again this proves my point about wasting our money. Now you may think, but what about the poor people who can't pay for it. Did you know that most of the people who get on a government paid program like to stay there because it means no work for them. Lets face it most people are lazy. Don;t get me wrong the people working and trying to get out of poverty are going to get out soon enough. others though will stay and suck up our taxes. You say our money is wasted on the military, look to America and see what is truly causing this.

On to your point about fixing ourselves and that we can't fix others:
My previous points explain the way to fix ourselves not phasing out the military. The military should stay strong as it always has. tapering with it causes an unbalance in the global affairs. Look to America fix what it here.

I have never disagreed with helping other, but if these people we are trying to help in America are taking the money and not tying to help themselves. Why I ask are we supposed to continue giving then more money through more bills and now health care.

And now on the education:
I have proved this point with my first point of my rebuttal so there is not need to restate it in the same argument.
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Sources:
http://www.twq.com............
http://en.wikipedia.org............
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My argument still stands in this debate as seen by the full extent of it in this final rebuttal. I thank you for your time
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Okay back onto your main point which was to withdraw all forces because this was a waste of money. Well through all these arguments you have not tried prove that we need to pull these guys out. Merely you have tried to argue my points, but never onto your own big point. Because you have not tried to prove why we need to pull our troops out you have failed to follow your own topic therefore giving me the win in this debate.

Thank you for this enjoyable debate!
I hope to debate you further in the future.

And now reasons to vote con:
I have supplied arguments that now stand throughout this debate, my opponent has strayed from his topic and never tied his arguments back to it. Plus the conduct of my opponent in his last speech was poor and insulting.
For all these reasons I say:
VOTE CON!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by potatolover 5 years ago
potatolover
A good amount of sources was put in your last argument I like it.
Posted by soldieroffortune 5 years ago
soldieroffortune
I did not see that my argument was due but my opponent was very good this was my first debate but I will get more references nexttime
Posted by potatolover 5 years ago
potatolover
Technically we are not giving money to them, only our military is there. This has no effect on our budget. If you want America to get out of of our debt look to our government and get them to stop borrowing money and raising the debt limit plain and simple.
Posted by i8JoMomma 5 years ago
i8JoMomma
stop giving money to the towel heads and start worrying about ourselves
Posted by BlackVoid 5 years ago
BlackVoid
Captivating argument!
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Vote Placed by larztheloser 5 years ago
larztheloser
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