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The War on Terror

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Started: 12/19/2013 Category: Politics
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Dunlj

Con

Hello to whoever my opponent is.

The first round is acceptance, in the second round we pecent our arugments and in the third round rebuttals.

I will be arguing that the War on Terror is a failure and that I think it's bad.

Thank you.


Debate Round No. 1
Dunlj

Con

I would like to thank yannikmarazia for accepting this debate! Here we go!


1. Wording and Never Ending

Terror - extreme fear. (Google definitions)
War - a state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country. (Google definitions)

How can you win a war over a noun and a tactic? The wording of the "War on Terror" is wrong, as George Lakoff said "Terror cannot be destroyed by weapons or signing a peace treaty.[1] A war on terror has no end." That brings me to my second point that the war on terror will never end. The USA has so many different groups on the terrorist watch list it makes your head spin[2], George W. Bush said the war "will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated." and he said "a task that does not end."[3]

2. Increased Terrorism

Ever since the US and her allies started cracking down on terrorist groups, more terrorist groups and attacks have spiked dramatically. This means the war is being counterproductive.

Iraq:[4]


Afghanistan:[5]



3. Taken Civil Liberties

The US has used terrorism to take away civil liberties, the US PATRIOT Act and NDAA can be used to arrest American citizens without due prosses this violates the fourth and sixth amendments.

Amendment IV: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment VI: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Patriot act and NDAA

Freedom from unreasonable searches: The government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

Right to a speedy and public trial: The government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

The NSA can spy on citizens and world leaders without getting in trouble, a federal judge recently said it was unconstitutional.[6]

We tortured people at Guantanamo Bay bay for years we abused their human rights[7] and the 8th amendment.

Amendment VIII:Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


4. Obama's 360

We all know of the conflict going on in Syria, and in for a turn for the worst Obama is supporting the terrorist groups there, the fighters over in Syria are being taken over by terrorist groups.[8]

Sources:

1. http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org...
2. http://www.state.gov...
3. http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov...
4. http://www.start.umd.edu...
5. http://www.start.umd.edu...
6. http://www.theguardian.com...
7. http://www.sciencedaily.com...
8. http://www.theguardian.com...
yannikmarazia

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Dunlj

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yannikmarazia

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