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mongeese
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ilovgoogle
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The Wii is the best home gaming console.

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mongeese
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/9/2009 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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mongeese

Pro

Nintendo Wii - http://en.wikipedia.org...
Home gaming console - http://en.wikipedia.org...
Best - excelling all others (http://www.merriam-webster.com...)

It is my opinion that the Wii is the best home gaming console. For this debate, my opponent will choose one (1) other home gaming console to be compared to the Wii. From there, we will both present facts about either console, and try to defend or attack the pros and cons of each other's gaming systems.

To start, I will present some of the pros of the Wii:
- Low price: the Wii is one of the more inexpensive game consoles, going for usually $249.99. (http://www.articlesbase.com...)
- Game controls: The Wii Remote (Wiimote) has pointer and motion-sensing functionality, as well as the ability to use a variety of accessories. (http://en.wikipedia.org...)

I await my opponent's responses. Please, no comments with any facts that may help either debater.
ilovgoogle

Con

"It is my opinion that the Wii is the best home gaming console.?

The Xbox 360 IS the best gaming console.

- Low price: the Wii is one of the more inexpensive game consoles, going for usually $249.99.

Xbox 360 is lower, going for only $200 and not only does it include the console itself, but also includes SEVEN games. If you're going to talk about value, don't even get me started the 360 dominates this category. http://www.toysrus.com...

- Game controls: The Wii Remote (Wiimote) has pointer and motion-sensing functionality, as well as the ability to use a variety of accessories.
Great? The controller is one of the Wii's greatest faults. Sure it's cool to play around with, but all too often all Wii games just end up being a wiggle waggle fest and where's that fun in that? Oh and it has a verity of accessories? Xbox 360 has more... http://www.xbox.com...

So let's talk about functionality.
Media center (Stream music, moives and photos from your PC http://www.dailymotion.com...
Netflix Streaming
Xbox Live Marketplace (Purchase game add-ons, and extra content)
Video Store (Rent and buy movies and TV shows in HD)
Xbox Live Arcade (Buy 360 games that appeal to wide verity of audiences.)
Debate Round No. 1
mongeese

Pro

"The Xbox 360 IS the best gaming console."
Alright then, Wii vs. Xbox 360.

"Xbox 360 is lower, going for only $200 and not only does it include the console itself, but also includes SEVEN games. If you're going to talk about value, don't even get me started the 360 dominates this category."
Note that that applies only to the Arcade version. I cannot find the word "seven" anywhere on the page, nor can I find a relevant "7". Care to point out where it includes seven games?

"Great? The controller is one of the Wii's greatest faults. Sure it's cool to play around with, but all too often all Wii games just end up being a wiggle waggle fest and where's that fun in that? Oh and it has a verity of accessories? Xbox 360 has more..."
There's a lot of fun in a wiggle waggle fest. Besides, it's not just wiggling. There's the pointer, and the balance, and the ability to use it as a bat/tennis racket/sword/etc. Most games use the Wiimote at appropriate times, such as pointing for many easy menu choices, shaking for an attack, etc.
http://www.bestbuy.com...
I count 110 accessories. For the Xbox, I count 26. Suddenly, I find myself wanting a pair of Wii punching gloves.

"So let's talk about functionality."
The Wii is smaller than the Xbox.
The Wii has backwards compatibility with the ever-epic GameCube.
Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection
WiiConnect24
BBC iPlayer
Internet Channel
News Channel
Forecast Channel
Everybody Votes Channel
Wii Shop Channel (including Virtual Console)
Check Mii Out Channel
Nintendo Channel
WiiWare

The Wii also beats the Xbox in sales, despite the price thing. And games:
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
The Wii destroys. Super Smash Bros. Brawl beat Halo 3.
"Total Wii games sold as of March 31, 2009: 353.02 million."

Finally, the Wii does NOT have a red ring of death. Beat that.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
The Wii doesn't even have a page of technical problems.

Thank you for accepting this debate.
ilovgoogle

Con

ilovgoogle forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
mongeese

Pro

All arguments extended...

Am I cursed to never get a video game debate to last to the second round?
ilovgoogle

Con

First off I apologize to my opponent for not being able to post last round, I had a couple of things going on. ON too the debate!

"I cannot find the word "seven" anywhere on the page, nor can I find a relevant "7". Care to point out where it includes seven games?"
PAC-MAN Championship Edition, UNO, Luxor 2, Boom Boom Rocket, Feeding Frenzy, Sega Super Stars tennis, and Hexic HD.

"There's a lot of fun in a wiggle waggle fest."
Maybe at first when the system was new and fresh, but now 3 years into it's life cycle it's been deprived of innovation. Because of the popularity of the Wii people release crap on it as often as they can hoping to make a quick buck. It's full of gimmicks. Xbox 360 games are of a MUCH higher quality. This can be attested to by seeing it's review scores "average of all Xbox 360 reviews cataloged on GameRankings turns out to be almost 70%. The same number for the PlayStation 3 is over 73% and for the Nintendo Wii ... a dismal 64%" http://www.edge-online.com...

"I count 110 accessories. For the Xbox, I count 26. Suddenly, I find myself wanting a pair of Wii punching gloves."
Once again I question the quality of these "accessories" I mean really a Nerf pack? http://www.bestbuy.com... All it is, is a piece of poorly made plastic. Sure you can have your accessories! Quantity does not beat quality.

"The Wii destroys. Super Smash Bros. Brawl beat Halo 3"
Nothing could be further from the truth! Super Smash at 8.49 mil, Halo at 9.61! I don't think I have to even tell you what's wrong with using WIKIPEDIA to find your facts! http://vgchartz.com...
http://vgchartz.com...

"The Wii is smaller than the Xbox."
The 360 includes a DVD player, the Wii does not. A Wii + a DVD player = bigger then the 360

"The Wii has backwards compatibility with the ever-epic GameCube."
The 360 does with the Xbox too. What are you even going to WANT to play from the Gamecube era? This is a silly point considering the Gamecube was a compete an utter failure compared to the other systems in the cycle.

My opponent goes on to list some other barley used features. Once again when it comes to applications they speak for themselves, with a much higher quality of standard on the 360.

Let's no forget one of the 360's biggest draws: HD. Beautiful high definition 1080p resolution. Everything can be high def! It's the BEST way to make use out of your HDTV and all it's features at a very low cost. This is a serous lacking component of the Wii.

Quality beats quantity.
Debate Round No. 3
mongeese

Pro

"PAC-MAN Championship Edition, UNO, Luxor 2, Boom Boom Rocket, Feeding Frenzy, Sega Super Stars tennis, and Hexic HD."
I quote from your link:
"Get ready for fun right out of the box with five free Xbox LIVE Arcade games, including PAC-MAN Championship Edition, UNO, Luxor 2, Boom Boom Rocket and Feeding Frenzy."
Yeah, that's five. The other games were mentioned, but not part of the package.
Also, note that Xbox 360 games are usually in the range of $40 to $60.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
This game is worth $10. I'm guessing that the other games are of similar value, as arcade games are generally worth less than standard console games. So, this is really only about a $50 bonus. This is offset by the fact that the Nintendo Wii comes with the game Wii Sports (http://wii.ign.com...), which was priced at about $40 in Japan, so it's about even. This is easily offset by the Wii's more advanced Wiimote detection.

"Maybe at first when the system was new and fresh, but now 3 years into it's life cycle it's been deprived of innovation."
Deprived of innovation? You don't actually source any particular games that you accuse of being a wiggle waggle fest. I can easily say that games like Super Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Pikmin New Play Control!, and Mario Kart Wii are NOT wiggle waggle fests. The only games that I could possibly consider to be wiggle waggle fests are the Wii series (http://en.wikipedia.org...), which has sold more games than any other series over the past few years, and Mario Party 8, which was actually a successful manifestation of a wiggle waggle fest.

"Because of the popularity of the Wii people release crap on it as often as they can hoping to make a quick buck. It's full of gimmicks."
The Wii itself, and all first- and second-party games, and many third-party games, however, do not follow this, and are, in fact, very successful.
Yes, some failed third-party games have brought the score for the Wii a large number of points down, but the top Wii games obliterate the top Xbox 360 games. Note that the Wii has three games in the top ten most sold video games ever, while the Xbox 360 has none in the top 20.

"Quantity does not beat quality."
Yes, but a lack of quantity does not imply quality. You give no reason why the Xbox 360's accessories have more quality, and due to this being the last round, it's too late to do anything about it.

"Nothing could be further from the truth!"
Saying that the Xbox 360 beat the Wii overall would be MUCH further from the truth. The Wii had four games above the Xbox 360's top game. The Wii beat the Xbox 360 in overall sales. Thus, the Wii destroys, which has been conceded, because you only disagreed with the second statement, but not the first.

"The 360 includes a DVD player, the Wii does not. A Wii + a DVD player = bigger then the 360"
http://portables.about.com...
You assume that all DVD players are large. These DVD players are capable of being plugged into a TV, by the way.

"The 360 does with the Xbox too. What are you even going to WANT to play from the Gamecube era? This is a silly point considering the GameCube was a compete an utter failure compared to the other systems in the cycle."
You say this with pure bias and opinion, without any facts. I'll let you know that I continued to play Super Smash Bros. Melee right up until the day that Brawl came out.
http://en.wikipedia.org...(sixth_generation)#Comparison (I apoligize for the broken link, use Copy + Paste)
The GameCube's Melee was sold many, many times, and was a great success.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
There are many great GameCube games. You don't seem to support the Xbox very much in this.

"My opponent goes on to list some other barley used features. Once again when it comes to applications they speak for themselves, with a much higher quality of standard on the 360."
You say this, but you don't support this. Thus, I dismiss this as speculation without evidence.

"Let's no forget one of the 360's biggest draws: HD. Beautiful high definition 1080p resolution. Everything can be high def! It's the BEST way to make use out of your HDTV and all it's features at a very low cost. This is a serous lacking component of the Wii."
Ah, but what if you don't have HDTV? The TV I play on doesn't have HDTV, so why should I buy a system with features that I can't even utilize? Many people were disappointed when they realized that the 360's graphics were about equal to those of the Wii when they didn't have HDTV.

And so, here are the arguments that my opponent has dropped, and should not be forgotten:
The Wii has no technical problems, while the Xbox 360 had the huge Red Ring of Death thing going on.
The Wii has sold more TOTAL games than the Xbox 360.

"Quality beats quantity."
Supported facts beat "OMG this things PWNS! GC fail lol" ;)

I rest my case.
Thank you for this great debate.
ilovgoogle

Con

ilovgoogle forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by acer 8 years ago
acer
It is called an accessory HDMI output. It is pretty cool. I don't have one, but I seen it used before. It costs about 20-30 dollars I think
Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
I didn't know that.
What cable?
I might be able to use such information in the future.
Posted by acer 8 years ago
acer
Just to let you know. the Wii has HD quality, you just have to buy the correct cable
Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
Well, to ignore my comment, you'd have to also ignore your comment. You'd also have to ignore your comment about ignoring my comment. This just ends up going backwards. But the point is, you conceded the final round, and there's nothing you can do about it. I win.
Posted by ilovgoogle 8 years ago
ilovgoogle
Ignore my opponent's last comment as it is not part of the debate.
Posted by mongoose 8 years ago
mongoose
What do you mean by "ditto" in this situation? It makes no sense...
Posted by ilovgoogle 8 years ago
ilovgoogle
"I advise everybody to ignore my opponent's commentary arguments, as they are not part of the debate."

Ditto. :)
Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
I advise everybody to ignore my opponent's commentary arguments, as they are not part of the debate.
Posted by ilovgoogle 8 years ago
ilovgoogle
nd it + the Wii is a LOT larger then the Xbox.

Wii games just aren't as good as 360 game quality. In fact 58 360 games scored a 85 or high on metacritic while only 17 did on the Wii. http://www.siliconera.com... The only thing the Wii manged to beat the 360 on was when it game to awful games with the Wii having 82 and the 360 only 64 scoring 49 or less.

This debate has come down to quality vs quantity. My opponent has claimed that there are a few select Wii games that have managed to sell well. What he neglects to mention is that it doesn't mean those games are good, and assumes sales = quality. Wii Play (top selling game for Wii) http://www.metacritic.com... only had 65% and he claims this is one of the reasons the Wii is "better" while Halo 3 had a 94% (top selling game for 360) http://www.metacritic.com... Xbox 360 games are made with quality first not how many copies it can sell in mind; that's why they consistently score higher then the Wii.
If you were walking down a a video game section in a store with $60 dollars would you choose between Halo 3 or Wii Play? I think the choice is obvious.
I rest my case.
Thank you.
Posted by ilovgoogle 8 years ago
ilovgoogle
Here's my argument for the hell of it.

"This game is worth $10. I'm guessing that the other games are of similar value, as arcade games are generally worth less than standard console games. So, this is really only about a $50 bonus. This is offset by the fact that the Nintendo Wii comes with the game Wii Sports (http://wii.ign.com......), which was priced at about $40 in Japan, so it's about even."
Once again my opponent argues that quantity is equal to quantity. UNO for instance has a 81 on Metacritic http://www.metacritic.com... and Pac-Man 82 http://www.gamerankings.com..., while Wii Sports has a pitiful 76% http://www.gamerankings.com.... What this shows is the clear divide between quality on the Xbox and quality on the Wii, with the 360 providing bettter games

"The Wii itself, and all first- and second-party games, and many third-party games, however, do not follow this, and are, in fact, very successful." Really? Like what? My opponent fails to back up this claim with any evidence!

"Note that the Wii has three games in the top ten most sold video games ever, while the Xbox 360 has none in the top 20." Once again my opponent continues to outlandish claims. The first one, Wii Play, was bundled with a Wii controller so it's hardly fair to say that this is in fact in the top 10 of best selling games. My opponent also falls to his old tricks equivocating copies sold to how good it is. Wii Play received a measly 58% http://www.metacritic.com... !

"You assume that all DVD players are large. These DVD players are capable of being plugged into a TV, by the way."
Sure there're small DVD players, but you have to consider what of a majority of Americans would actually have. Right now the best selling DVD player on Amazon http://www.amazon.com... it's fairly large and
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