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The World Would Benefit if Light Yagami from Death Note Existed

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Started: 11/27/2015 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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RiceCracker

Pro

For the purpose of the debate, Yagami would have the death note and act in similar ways as he does in the anime.

Definitions:
Would Benefit-Receive an advantage, that it otherwise would not have.
Light Yagami from Death Note-The character, Light Yagami (夜神 月,) from the anime series Death Note.
Existed-Was a real person.

Rules:
1. First round is acceptance only.
2. Second round is for opening arguments only.
3. No new arguments in the final round.
4. No kritiks or semantics.
5. Shared BOP.
6. Violation of rules results in automatic loss.
PowerPikachu21

Con

I'm honestly not sure how the word "would" would receive any advantage if a character from an anime existed. Let's hear what Pro says.
Debate Round No. 1
RiceCracker

Pro

Warning: Debate will contain spoilers for Death Note.

Introduction:

For those unfamiliar, Death Note is a manga series whose protagonist is a boy named Light Yagami. He has the power of the Death Note, which means anyone whose name is written in the book, dies, so long as Yagami knows what the person’s face looks like. Yagami primarily kills criminals throughout the series, but also characters that are a threat to him.

In this debate, I will show that if he existed in real life, with the powers of the Death Note, the world would be better off.

Utilitarianism:

My argument is going to be a utilitarian argument. Wikipedia defines utilitarianism as: “a theory in normative ethics holding that the best moral action is the one that maximizes utility. Utility is defined in various ways, but is usually related to the well-being of sentient entities.” (1)

The judges should accept utilitarianism as the superior ethical theory because, something that is moral under utilitarianism will result in the greatest possible number of humans living happily (for example) and therefore is objectively more successful than if someone’s pre-existing moral compass, sense of duty, etc. is holding him back from potentially doing something that would have a net positive result. The welfare of people (at least people who are considered to be good people,) is generally considered positive, and a event that is moral under utilitarianism is the only way to assure that this positive thing can be maximized to its fullest extent. For example, if someone takes a machine gun to a school, most people would have no problem if that person got killed before they could set fire. Why? Because a greater number of people could be saved. So even if that person is killed, generally considered immoral, under utilitarianism that is a completely moral act, since a net saving of lives occurred, compared to what could have happened otherwise.

Yagami’s Results in Death Note & the Real World:

In Death Note, due to the fact that anyone could be killed, so long as their face and name were revealed, the world saw the crime rate drop 70% and saw wars end. (2) This was a logical follow-up since most people don’t want to die, so if they know that they’re almost guaranteed to die if they are revealed to the public, they will be deterred from committing a crime.

War and crime are terrible events that plague the world. For example, since 2001 in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, over 370,000 people died due to direct war violence and millions have been displaced. (3) Not to mention, the war cost the US government about $4.4T. This is money that could be spent on numerous other more productive things, such as helping the poor or funding scientific research.

Also, let’s apply the 70% drop in crime, to just murders. In 2012, about 437,000 people died. If 70% of murders are deterred in a world with the Yagami and the Death Note, about 305,900 additional people are saved, which is more people than there are in all but 3 countries. (4)

Worthwhile People:

If utilitarianism is accepted, then clearly the results Yagami would bring would be beneficial and moral. However, it is also worth noting most of the people killed with the death note were not even people whose welfare is worth considering.

Although some of those in law enforcement had to be sacrificed for the greater good, most of Yagami’s victims were criminals. Criminals typically do nothing to improve society and are just a burden on society as they ruin lives of those who provide positive impacts on society and cost members of society money. In other words, under utilitarianism it would make sense to eliminate these people, if the goal is to create a greater society as a whole (which would generally be a positive goal, because following the same logic as earlier, it maximizes human happiness.)

When this is considered, the amount of worthwhile people who were killed (those in law enforcement who are threats to Yagami,) would be far less than those who lives would be saved.

Conclusion:

To conclude, if Yagami Light existed with his death note, the world would be a better place as the amount of worthwhile people would be greater than it otherwise would be, which is completely moral if one follows utilitarianism.

PowerPikachu21

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
RiceCracker

Pro

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PowerPikachu21

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
RiceCracker

Pro

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PowerPikachu21

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by RiceCracker 1 year ago
RiceCracker
If you want, we could restart it on another debate and I'd just post the same opening argument.
Posted by PowerPikachu21 1 year ago
PowerPikachu21
Sorry for the forfeit, I didn't think of a counter argument in time. You can take it as a concession if you want to. They should fix this, though.
Posted by PowerPikachu21 1 year ago
PowerPikachu21
I either misread the title, or it was a typo on Pro's part.
Posted by RiceCracker 1 year ago
RiceCracker
I defined "would benefit" together to try and make it clearer and sent you a challenge (you have a few days to decide whether you'd want it or not.)
Posted by PowerPikachu21 1 year ago
PowerPikachu21
Could you provide a definition of "would"? I feel like I could understand where you're coming from a bit more easily if you provided the definition, so I wouldn't accept a debate which I don't know much about. Even if you don't, I might accept.
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Vote Placed by lannan13 1 year ago
lannan13
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