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The World is To Complex For It To Be Accidental

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/29/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Gulam

Pro

I vote yes. Here we have a universe made of trillions of galaxies, all light years apart. Then we have galaxies them selves made of around trillion or so stars, dust clouds and black holes. Then we have solar systems, in solar systems we have planets. (I am using earth as an example). In earth you have a partner, the moon and the sun. If the sun developed into a bigger cloud of super heated space dust than now then we would not have life on earth. If the moon was to go to far or close to our earth since it was formed then life on earth would be very difficult and different. Then we have us. Humans. Dominant and smart. We have our bodies so durable our bones out performed concrete. Our minds so complex, yet so small. Then we have cells that in themselves so complex. Way way way beyond that we have the atom. Soooo small yet so complex. All these variables that is perfect for human life couldn't just have become a mistake or a bunch of chemical reactions.
bephig

Con

I accept debate.

Your argument is a argument from incredulity.

I can summarize your claim like that:
It is inconceivable that (fill in the blank) could have originated naturally. Therefore, it must have been created.

Response A:

A1: Really, claim is "I can't conceive that (fill in blank)". Others might able to find a natural explanation, and in many cases they already have. Nobody knows everything, so it is unreasonable say that something is impossible just because you don't know it. Even a noted anti- evolutionist acknowledges this point:
"The peril of negative arguments is that they may rest on our lack of knowledge, rather than on positive results" (Behe 2003).

A2: The argument from incredibility creates a god of thes gaps. Gods were responsible for lightning until we determined natural causes for lightning, for infectiou diseases until we found bacterias and virus, for mental illness until we found biochemical causes for them. God is only confined to those parts of universe that we don't know about and that keeps is shrinking.

Response B:

B1: Complexity usually means something is hard o understand. But the fact one cannot understand how something come to be, it don't indicates that one may conclude it was designed. On contrary, lacks of understanding means we must not conclude design ou aynthing else.

B2: In the sort of the design we know about, simplicity is a design goal. Complexity arises to some extend throught careless or necessity, but engineers work to make things as simple as possible. This is very different from what we see in life.

B3: Complexitiy arises from natural causes: for example, in weather patterns and cave formations.
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Posted by Sleezehead 3 years ago
Sleezehead
Saying that the world is too complex for it to be accidental is an irrelevant point for acquiring. As humans, this is your brain simply analogizing that it is a creator therefore the universe must as well. Quite simply, accidental just isn't the right word to use. This is rather a case of universal properties or even multi-dementional/multiverse properties that a human can easily label an 'accident.' You can even say the creation of life is an 'accident,' being that it is simply cause and effect.
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Vote Placed by KingDebater 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con was right in saying that just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you have to make assumptions about how it was made. S/g to Con as Pro made a spelling mistake in the title of his own debate, writing "To" instead of "too".