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Ane4ka
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ekta2gupta
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The World would be a Better Place Without Religion

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Started: 3/10/2008 Category: Religion
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 2,859 times Debate No: 3155
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Ane4ka

Pro

Religion is brainwashing people. It means that some unknown creature is ruling a group of people making them live by his rules.
And what about the rights of women? In many religions they are not allowed to wear open clothes, to argue with their husbends etc. while their husbands can do everything they wish and even have many wifes.
Religion right now is all about bussiness and politics. Churches collect money, popes are wealthy, and how do the ordinary people benefit?
War in Iraq and many other countries happened for religious reasons. Religion divided the world into several groups which are now competing for power.
The world would be a better place without religion because religion does not allow a complete freedom of mind and action.
ekta2gupta

Con

well i strongly oppose the statement that world wud be a better place without religion..Religion is something which we inherit from our ancestors..it make us revise our culture,our inner being,and actually connects us with the spirituality.
it may be true that popes in churches and pandits in mandir may be earninglot of money,they may do whatver they want to,but that money brings us close to spirituality and gains us lot of satisfaction and peace of mind.
even a trail of 5 minz of sitting with your eyes closed and just thinking of god,brings us much more close to humanity and relaxes us like anything.
well clearing your myths i would like to tell you that all those early ages system like sati-pratha and multiple marriages of males has been completely abolished by the government and as far as freedom of speech of a women is considered i think the constitution has given a well defined right to speech to every society and every class in the world.if the women realy feel that her husband is taking away this right she can directly go to the court.
so,when everything is made so perfect by the govt. then why not practice religion and gain most difficult powers of the world like humanity,spituality,truthfulness,relaxation and satisfaction of mind and soul..
Debate Round No. 1
Ane4ka

Pro

Maybe religion does bring some people closer to their culture and ancestors, but this is just another proof of the oldness of religion. The 10 commandements and the lists of sins are too old to appeal to modern life.
Abortion is forbidden by the religion, but what if someone was sexually abused, has health issues etc.
Religion is the cause for AIDS and poverty in third world countries, because it does not allow to use contraceptives. More kids, health issues and poverty -these are the causes of what religion calls sins.
Religion is meant to unite people and bring peace to the world but instead it is only another cause of disagreements and wars.
The government is definately not something that is based on justice. People wait for years in order to get to the courts and money can solve every problem and erase every sin in modern world.
Is "satisfaction of mind and soul" of some individuals really worth all of that?
ekta2gupta

Con

let me clear the very first doubt of yours no religion forces you to have many kids instead it says that have as much kids whom you can give proper education and provide them with bright future.and use of contraceptives totally depends on your knowledge and your choice.its in no way related to religion.
religion is a cause of war and disputes in the areas where the people have low standards.coming to high level of societies even the medium ones none of them has time to think about religion and no one realy argues about that.i believe you too agree with it.just considering a minor section of people is not correct instead we can say those people suffer from mental illness.
well talking of cases being pending in the court ,i think it was long time back when things of that sort used to happen .now a days every case is being heard and hence equally justified in most of the parts of the world if not truly in india.
imagine a place with no mandirs ,no church ,no masjid ,no gurudwaras.i guarantee no people would gain satisfaction and peace even though if he has money to buy anything but he will never get peace of mind,body and soul.and top of all these places never resricts anyone on the basis of health,wealth or religion.
a well defined right to choose religion has alraedy being laid by the constitution enabling everyone to choose any kind of religion.even a muslim by birth can go to temple.no one restricts him .its actually the person to decide which religion can assure him mental peace.
Debate Round No. 2
Ane4ka

Pro

Ane4ka forfeited this round.
ekta2gupta

Con

i think u have already understood my point..
world hjas to go with the religion only in order to have mental peace and spirituality...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Agent_D 9 years ago
Agent_D
Challenge me. Freedom of Expression - guaranteed by constitutions. Religion is one of expression..
Posted by Agent_D 9 years ago
Agent_D
if I believe that the trees came from fairies and because this is my religion teach to me, Though I dont provoke war against those who do not believe in what i believe in, Did my religion do something wrong with that?

Our main argument is very simple, and i hold it. A world would be a better place if people knows how to follow what their religion teach them to do. (Because all religion are common with a maxim of "Do unto others")

If you like to a simple debate i will accept it. but make sure, to post only a simple statement(not to long or to much assertions. like we do here) simple but concise.
Posted by Derek.Gunn 9 years ago
Derek.Gunn
Yes, Muslims also kill Muslims.
I never said religion was the only source of evil.

Nor did I ever say that religion always causes people to be evil.

What I believe is:
1) Religion attempts to simplify the world towards black and white - rather than protraying it as it actually is

2) As in the examples from the Qu'aran, sometimes religion actively encourages evil.
Surely the world would be better without that?

3) Outright lies. The world being created within the past 10,000 years (in some religions) or the story of the Arc. Everything we find in nature indicates that this is nonsense.
Again, I hold that it's better to learn the truth than lies.
Posted by Agent_D 9 years ago
Agent_D
For my friend,

If the verses would be the basis of aggression towards the other religion, Why there are incidence that muslims kills thier own brothers in faith(a muslim also)?

Yes, these verses talks to all religion that who has no belief to Allah, But the question is this, Why in Middle East; in Europe; in Asia, Muslims and Christians live side by side in a peaceful environment? What Muslims and Christians have in common? what other religion have in common? Like you said " Do unto others" maxim

Maybe it's not the religion that provoke all the unfairness., again it's own people that make the world not a better place.
Posted by Derek.Gunn 9 years ago
Derek.Gunn
> in addition, base on the verses you've cited it never mentioned any religion that is against on their religion.

Yes, quite right. It applies to all other religions.

> Have you seen a muslim killed a christians by using the verses you've cited for no apparent reasons?

I've read about them. And you can too: http://www.evolutionary-metaphysics.net...
You might like to read about some examples of forced conversions: http://en.wikipedia.org...

> Qu'ran never cited a word christians to kill for the reasons of not believing to Allah(Holy God) which I also respect.

You deny the existence of the quotes I gave you?
Posted by MidnightDaze 9 years ago
MidnightDaze
Christians don't base anything on killing.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", treat people fairly. As much as religion brings spirituality and comfort it also brings death and war. Like Jews with Hitler. If they weren't jewish they wouldnt have died. What can you say about that? How does spirituality have anything to do with that?
Posted by Agent_D 9 years ago
Agent_D
in addition, base on the verses you've cited it never mentioned any religion that is against on their religion.

Have you seen a muslim killed a christians by using the verses you've cited for no apparent reasons?

Qu'ran never cited a word christians to kill for the reasons of not believing to Allah(Holy God) which I also respect.
Posted by Derek.Gunn 9 years ago
Derek.Gunn
Would you like to provide the context that suggests otherwise?
I can assure you, the words "Do not" do not appear before any of those quotes.

Similarly, nowhere in the Bible is "God" tolerant of other gods/religions.
Quite the opposite, and we are surely meant to emulate Jesus Christ/God?
Posted by Agent_D 9 years ago
Agent_D
First and foremost, all the verses you've cited clearly state for monotheist,These verses must be explained in its whole context(not out of context- that sometimes create a different meanings)

Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."

>>>Good vs Evil, they speak on unseen forces
Posted by Derek.Gunn 9 years ago
Derek.Gunn
I'm not sure that all religions contain the "do unto others..." maxim,
however the fact that so many believers of all denominations fail to adhere to it
must be seen as a failure.

Also, I do recall that the bible states quite plainly that
"Thou shalt have no other god but me".
Consequently, many believers then feel obliged to push their beliefs onto non-believers (proselytizing / witnessing / converting) rather than being tolerant of their (non)beliefs.

With Muslims, the Qur'an appears to be explicit, e.g.
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."

Without religion, we could use reason to get along with each other, rather than blindly obeying the self-interest of long-dead people who did not know what the world was going to become.

Oh yes, where did you say science has moved?
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