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Breezy_Rae
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joshuaXlawyer
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The age that people have the right to vote should be lowered to 16 and not stay at 18

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Started: 5/20/2011 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Breezy_Rae

Con

On average 16 year olds are worrying about a lot of different things like their school dance and what not. Most might be able to handle a paying job and taking care of their cars, but that doesn't mean that they would be able to handle voting with all the other part of society. They aren't at that stage that they would fully understand what things would help our economy and what wouldn't.
joshuaXlawyer

Pro

We have over 100 thousand people or some without jobs and most are uneducated; some who have never passes high school that vote, these people are definitely qualified to vote.

Apparently teenagers are too busy to form political opinions between their car, job, and school.

Not like 18 year olds or 20 year olds or even 30 to 40 years worry about those things I mean they don’t have jobs, cars, house payments, taxes, and school.

Oh no teenagers cannot comprehend voting at all, not like civics and economics are taught in high school, my opponent seems to think 16 year olds as complete idiotic buffoons.

The point is my opponent thinks that 16 year olds are not qualified to vote, this is completely false because half of Americans are not qualified. Not every adult knows economics, or if a politician is going to do what he says he will. Most Americans don’t really care about politics they vote for who they like, all in all only people that care about the issues are intellectual and care, half or more of America doesn’t care or we would have less pollution, and a alternative fuel source, heck we don’t even have our basic first amendment rights anymore with protesting areas were the government makes a space for protestors most likely in a place to not make commotion even though that’s what a protest is for. Then we have the good old patriot act which was idiotically passed by congress that lets the government go through your email, phone, mail, and even your bank and medical records.

The simple fact is voting is only for who’s the most popular, and who agrees with your platform the most and I assure you teenagers can form opinions about subjects like abortion, and oil, even economics.


Debate Round No. 1
Breezy_Rae

Con

On average a 16 year old are worrying about a lot of different things like their school dance and what not. Most average teenagers might be able to handle a paying job and taking care of their cars, helping their families and worrying about their school work, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they would be able to handle voting with all the older part of society. When we are younger we have different things running through our heads and might think we know what is important but in reality we don't have any idea. Most 16 year old lack the competence or the required skills or knowledge one most know before approaching the ballet box. Most of the time we have to know to research and know what we are talking about before we said anything about it.

Yes at 16 they are driving, working and helping their families make due with food and money. But voting is a totally different thing. When you are voting you have to know who you are reading about and what they can bring to the table you have to understand what they are talking about. You have to be well informed about the topics and the people that getting talked about. We may never know what is what.

As said by Former President Kennedy The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all. One single vote could make the economy worse then it was to begin with.

Henry David Thoreau also stated that All voting is a sort of gaming, like checkers or backgammon, with a slight moral tinge to it, a playing with right and wrong.

i now turn it over to my oppent
joshuaXlawyer

Pro

first readers i would like to point out somethings here, my opponent argued that a teen is not ready to vote because they are worried about other things like prom, however he ignored my argument of the average American in his version of unfit are unfit to vote. This point wasn't touched secondly he goes on again to say no they are to busy thinking of prom and other random things but so do college students with frat parties yet they can vote.

An some adults care more about getting their crack to get high but they can vote next my opponents going to suggest drug testing before voting.

If a sixteen year old can work, drive a car, and go to school then they can/ and should be able to vote like every other Americans who goes to work, drives a car, and pays taxes, and some go to school.

But wait there's more homeless people can vote, ex cons can vote, scum of the earth like drug dealers and murders if they dont get caught can vote ( you can't vote in jail).

yet a simple 16 year old apperently can't comprehend simple economics, as well as my argument that politicians could lie to get voted in and this happens now with 18 to 90 year old people now whats reducing it to 16 gonna do? nothing might even help give teens a reason to vote in the future because rock the vote isn't exactly working.

There is no mental difference between a 16 year old to an 18 year old both can form opinions on matters like abortion and how the economy should be handled, my opponent didn't argue this that teenagers can't form their own belief system and platform. The truth is they can and should have the right to vote.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by RoyLatham 5 years ago
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Brain development associated with evaluating consequences continues into the early twenties. The voting age in Japan is 20, and about half of the younger people are opposed to lowering it. That shows maturity, which means maybe they should lower it. Hmmm.
Posted by joshuaXlawyer 5 years ago
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passed highschool i mean
Posted by Scepticus 5 years ago
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Which country are you referring to when it comes to voting? I'm assuming the United States?
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Reasons for voting decision: con showed that since there are major inhibitions to a 16 year olds mentality they can't vote
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro didn't refer to the statistics of voters, only than some 16-year-olds are qualified and some older people are not. Also true for 12 year olds, etc. Con properly referenced the average. I think Pro had the burden of proof, not only as Pro but as advocating a changefrom the status quo. Couple of qotes is better than no source.
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Reasons for voting decision: Nice debate from a new member, but they clearly ignored a solid refutation from Pro. 3:2 Pro
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Reasons for voting decision: I felt that Pro's arguments were not all that powerful, and could have been easily refuted, however Con did not refute them and only restated his possition, costing him the debate.
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Reasons for voting decision: The arguments from both sides were pretty bad. Pro - "There is no mental difference between a 16 year old to an 18 year old" - This is just incorrect. There is HUGE mental change happening all through puberty.
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Reasons for voting decision: Poor logic from con.