The argument from morality is not a valid argument for the existence of (a) god(s)
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| Started: | 6/1/2012 | Category: | Religion |
| Updated: | 11 months ago | Status: | Post Voting Period |
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I will be arguing from the position that the argument from morality, as used frequently by theists like William Lane Craig, is not a valid argument. The first round is for acceptance, but my opponent may post arguments if they so wish.
===Definitions=== The argument from morality is argued in several forms, however the gist of the position could be summed up as follows (from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy): P1: Moral normativity is best explained through the existence of authoritative moral rules. P2: Authoritative moral rules must be promulgated and enforced by an appropriate moral authority. P3: The only appropriate moral authority is God. C: Thus, given that there is moral normativity, there is a God.[1] God(s) will be defined in the traditional theistic meaning, where God is omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent. An argument is valid "when the conclusion is entailed by, or logically follows from, the premises."[2] A valid argument may be contrasted with a sound argument. An argument is sound when it is "valid and all its premises are true."[2] For the moral argument to be valid, I must only show that IF the premises are all true, THEN the conclusion is logically necessitated. ===Argument=== Premise 1: An argument is valid IFF its premises (if true) necessitate its conclusion.-- From the definition of a valid argument Premise 2: The premises of the moral argument necessitate its conclusion IFF they are true. Conclusion: The moral argument is valid. As can be seen, this argument is clearly valid. Considering the definition of a valid argument, the validity of this argument would be shown if the two premises on which it is composed are shown to be true. On the soundness of my argument, the moral argument itself can be shown rather intuitively to be valid. IF authoritative moral rules best explain moral normativity, and authoritative moral rules entail an appropriate moral authority, and God is the only appropriate moral authority, THEN God exists. Whether all these premises are sound or not is still a matter or debate of course and is not the proper subject matter of the resolution. ===Sources=== [1] http://plato.stanford.edu... [2] http://www.jimpryor.net... |
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I meant to title the argument "The argument from morality is not a sound argumet for the existence of God" Concession.
Pro concedes. Vote Con. |
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Vote neither? You conceded the debate. That means vote Con. |
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But that is due to a mistake in the titling of the debate, and has nothing to do with the debate itself, since neither side has posted any arguments, neither can win. Therefore, don't vote. Except for that it does. I DID post an argument refuting the resolution. You conceded. Thus Vote Con. |
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Vote Placed by InVinoVeritas 11 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Sometimes I try on women's clothing and gallop zealously through vacant parking lots.
Vote Placed by TheOrator 11 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Argument and conduct to the Con for forfeit
Vote Placed by wiploc 11 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit. Pro conceded rather than posting any argument.
Pro could have argued and won, since
1. Con's attempt to keep Pro from discussing the truth of the premises wouldn't necessarily have worked, and
2. Con's argument clearly wasn't valid. (You can't get from "best explanation" to "god exists." At most, you might reach "god's existence is the best explanation.")
But Pro forfeited, so Con gets all the points.
Vote Placed by royalpaladin 11 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit. It's not his fault that you made a mistake.
Vote Placed by Microsuck 11 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro conceded (arguments) then tried to keep the voting a tie (conduct).
Vote Placed by Maikuru 11 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro conceded. Considering Con did post an argument relevant to the presented resolution, Con rightly earns the argument vote.
Vote Placed by MouthWash 11 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: I don't buy Con's demand that he win.













