The Instigator
mcalcara
Con (against)
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The Contender
LeonardoNecro
Pro (for)
Winning
7 Points

The benefits of domestic surveillance by the NSA out weigh the harms.

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LeonardoNecro
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/20/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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mcalcara

Con

This will be in the closest thing to the format of an NFL Public Forum Debate. First, acceptance. Second, intro. Third, first speeches. Fourth, Second speeches. And finally a conclusion.
LeonardoNecro

Pro

Hi, this will be a pleasure, thank you for starting this debate.
Debate Round No. 1
mcalcara

Con

Billy Graham once said that once you've lost your privacy, you realize you've lost an extremely valuable thing. Because I believe in his words, I am in firm negation of the resolution resolved- the benefits of domestic surveillance by the NSA outweigh the harms.
LeonardoNecro

Pro

American Intelligence says that more and smaller terror cells are appearing that are influenced by Al Qaeda. Some may say that this intelligence may be misused, but if we take the precautions, it can be avoided. This intelligence has stopped many terrorist attacks.
Debate Round No. 2
mcalcara

Con

mcalcara forfeited this round.
LeonardoNecro

Pro

LeonardoNecro forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
mcalcara

Con

I will support my stance of negation with three main contentions. First, using domestic surveillance goes against the 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments. The 1st amendment states that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.The 4th amendment states that "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." The 5th amendment says that "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." So to sum it up, the NSA is violating the 4th amendment by watching us and wiretapping us. If they hear something and press charges, they are violating the 1st amendment because they are limiting the right to say what you like. Since you cannot testify against yourself in a court, if they present what you said before they mirandize you, they are violating the 5th amendment.
Our second point, is that the NSA "spies" on companies that operate in the US. If they operate around the world, other companies around the world will be hesitant to do business with them because they don't want to expose themselves or their native country to the NSA. If this does occur, then our economy will be harmed do to this lack of trust. This is starting to happen with Google and Yahoo!. The United states is 23 trillion dollars in debt, and the NSA just spent 1.5 billion dollars on a new data storage center in Nevada. If we're paying 1.5 billion dollars for a cause that isn't effective, we can't afford to do that. One of the most recent NSA leaks revealed that they have been hacking google. The company finds out and responds, Brandon Downey, a google engineer says, "F*ck these guys [the NSA]" What the NSA did is highly illegal. This is slowly diminishing the trust that we can put into the NSA.
Our third point, is that The NSA's efforts don"t work. There are quite a few incidences that have occurred even with the NSA in place. As follows
-the 1993 world trade center bombing
-Oklahoma city bombing
-the 9/11 attacks
-The Boston Marathon
-and the UnaBomber.
All of these instances occurred after the NSA was put in place in 1952 under president Harry S Truman.
Our final point is that it means more hacking. What is hacking, well according to Marriam Webster, a hacker is a person who secretly gets access to a computer system in order to get information, cause damage, etc. : a person who hacks into a computer system. When Agencies and Companies like the DEA, and Microsoft allow other Agencies to gain access to files, through back doors and weak points in the system, it also makes it easier for regular hackers to hack into a company's system, and get credit card numbers, social security numbers, and a bunch of other valuable information that companies collect. If its easy for the NSA to gather information, its also easier for other everyday hackers are able to gather that information easier. According to the FTC, 27.3 million people have had their identity stolen in the past five years. If we're making it easier to hack into systems, then we're just putting fuel in the fire and we're basically asking for more identity theft in the US.
So In conclusion, the reasons why I should receive this ballot in todays debate over Resolved- the benefits of domestic surveillance by the NSA outweigh the harms, Are that the NSA violates the American Constitution, and our privacy in multiple ways, harms the American Economy, is very ineffective and it means more hacking.
LeonardoNecro

Pro

LeonardoNecro forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
mcalcara

Con

mcalcara forfeited this round.
LeonardoNecro

Pro

LeonardoNecro forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Fight4RightsLyla11 3 years ago
Fight4RightsLyla11
That's better :)
Posted by Fight4RightsLyla11 3 years ago
Fight4RightsLyla11
You spelled 'out' wrong. ...
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Vote Placed by Yraelz 3 years ago
Yraelz
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