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The bible is false because jesus is false thus jesus is not god according to the bible

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backwardseden

Pro

Since the headline is true it means that christianity is an absolute failure and false. This is according to the text of failure of the bible itself because jesus is a failure unto himself and to those who believe in him and to the mistakes that he made thus proving his imperfection. Since this so-called mythical jesus is imperfect, which will be proven with utter ease in this debate, that is if you can read and thus interpret your bible properly, in which case most christians can’t as they instead make excuses of all kinds which never works btw, it means that jesus according to the text of bible in which god would not use as a source of communication, the worst form of communication possible, cannot be ruled nor thought of as a god.

This is taken from an Atheist Republic article thus proving that jesus was not perfect. And since jesus was NOT perfect by any means, he cannot possibly in anybody’s mind who can think rationally be considered as god. This is irrefutable.
Matthew 7: 15-20 “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”
The saying is plain as day: a good tree would not produce bad fruits, only good fruits. I'm not making this up, that's what Matthew states unequivocally. But how can this be possible? How can even the best and most righteous person never produce bad fruits? They can't, because human nature is such that we will make mistakes, or worse, do something bad deliberately. But Jesus, who is said to be the infallible almighty God of the Bible, says that it IS possible to produce ONLY good fruit. Read the passage again (v. 18) "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit" and likewise " a bad tree cannot bear good fruit."

And yet Jesus said that evil must happen, but woe unto him through which it is done. Evil will happen, it's inevitable, so how come Jesus also said that a good tree CANNOT bear bad fruit, when we all know that this is not true. All of us have produced good fruit and bad fruit, therefore I can only come to the conclusion that Jesus was not infallible, not God, but a fanatical fundamentalist who thought he was appointed of God to teach the people of Israel. He was wrong, just all all the Christian churches are wrong, especially that church which claims infallibility, which is considered a heresy by the other Christian churches.

Here's something else to ponder (that leaves you out Steve): Jesus promised he would return within one generation, the generation of his immediate followers. He was dead wrong (pun intended) and is therefore a false prophet, condemned by his very own words that a good tree cannot produce bad fruit.
Yep and since jesus was a false prophet and imperfect as clearly proved, he---was---not---a---god. So christianity is false and the NT is also false.

More proof in which nothing can be said against and or countered…
John 5: 16-18 "16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. 18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."
Wow. 2 things. 1. Well first of all the verses prove that jesus was NOT the savior, but a monetized leech homebody humanoid who worked on the sabbath and thus by HIS god's laws should have rightly been executed. This jesus character did not have the powers to change HIS god's laws. Nor did HIS god grant him any favoritism to change HIS god's laws so that he could. 2. jesus is saying in verse 17 that his god is working on the sabbath. So verse 17 shows that jesus flat out lied about his god thus taking the “thou shalt not covet” thingy to a whole new level, and “thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor” only here its against his heavenly as high as it goes, thus once again showing that jesus is---not---a---god. After all there’s no way in hell (pun deliberately intended) that HIS superior and commander in snookums chief would EVER work on the sabbath for any reason. Yeah, if ---ANYBODY--- really thinks that god is actually going to work on the sabbath for ANY reason... If so then the entire rules and laws of god are false and the OT is worthless. So is god. Ehhhtttt. Bzzzztttt. WRONG!!! Sorry. Its jesus that is wrong and false as proven right here in those three little verses and thus christianity is also false because jesus is false.

Ab-so-lu-te-ly the jews had every right to think in their little beady heads to execute the so-called starchy potato christian messiah unproved jesus who wasn’t a messiah at all.

This one is real cute. You will love this one! satan is leading the christian messiah, jesus around on his leash/ commanding him at his will. Since this is true, and the roles should obviously be reversed and jesus should be leading satan around the tennis court… but nope that’s not how things are according to the bible, text, in which the god of the bible would never use text as a form of communication to be such a complete idiot. Let’s look at that shall we? Pay attention to verse 5 especially.
Matthew 4: 2-10 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy god. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Hmmmmmmmmm. Interesting. Verse 10 “Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” But how can this possibly be true if verse 5 “Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,”So jesus follows satan indeed. Right there jesus is proven to OBEY THE COMMAND OF SATAN and NOT the reverse. So obviously since this is true, jesus is not god, christianity is false, and the NT is false.

RULES:
Prove that the christian mythical jesus is a god according to the bible.


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ANANIGMA

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First to prove that Jesus is a god.

The term "god" in Hebrew is known as Elohim, which means of divine nature or deity. Regardless of whether you believe or not, Jesus since his death has obtained the status of divine. He even prophesied many times on how this will come to be and historically it has. I think the billions of Christians and the power they have over the world is a display of their success, they have all but conquered the world. So Jesus a failure, well look around you. 2000 years and he is the most praised and talked about figure in history... Hardly a failure. So yeah I argue he has elevated to "god" status.

Matthew 7:15-20

Read it again. This kind of insight can only come from a divine nature. False prophets? Yeah we have had plenty of them, just look at all the cults we have had in recent years and how many have produced disaster. Jesus spoke of this with incredible accuracy 2000 years ago. The Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate, the Manson family. All their leaders pretended to be sheep but turned out to be wolves in disguise.

As far as the bad fruit, this simply says to pay attention to the actions of people and not their words. Like a person who comes up to you trying to be your friend but then you notice them violently attack or curse someone for no reason. It's not about being infallible but to watch out for Fake people who pretend to be Good. Review the list above.

Jesus did not say he would return, he said he was going to the Father. What he said was he would send a "Comforter". Some believe this to be Apostle Paul whom started preaching about Jesus in the mid first century AD, a generation within what was prophesied and only a decade or 2 after the crucifixion. John 15:26.

Jesus broke the thou shall not covet commandment? Are you sure, you know what covet means? It means you shouldn't want what another person has, or Envy. Same with Thou shall not bare false witness against thy neighbor? Are you saying God was Jesus's neighbor??

As for breaking the Sabbath, you do know that priests were allowed to break the Sabbath in Judaic law. Joshua marched around the walls of Jericho for 7 days. By the way not the only Judaic ion to do this. Jesus made the point that if God's will needed to be done, such as save the life of another living being. God would not wish you to allow even a sheep die if the Sabbath kept you from saving it's life.

As far as Jesus following Satan because Satan took him to the top of a temple and asked him to jump. Umm yeah? So if someone kidnaps you, are you following your kidnapper?? If you read that chapter, Jesus is refusing Satan's every temptation not following him... Instead he declares that one should follow the Lord God and him only.

Again so your argument is that Jesus is not a God. My question is since Zeus is a Greek God, how is that any different than Jesus being a Christain God?
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

It does not matter what billions of other christians "think" and or "believe". You don"t get that roughly 79% of christians don"t even read their bible"s but every 2 weeks in the first place and only a couple of verses, if that. So they really don"t know what their bible"s state to begin with. And they, like you also don"t get that YOUR god would never use text as a form of communication, the worst form of communication possible, so everybody, including you can get it wrong.

Actually no. The term for god is quite disgusting... Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: Pathetic indeed.

"Jesus since his death has obtained the status of divine." In which absolutely no one on this planet can possibly prove. Continuing "He even prophesied many times on how this will come to be and historically it has." Yeah and it proved to be 100% false because he told his audience that he would return within a generation thus proving himself to be false, thus proving christianity to be false thus proving the NT to be false. I mean where does someone who can put his thinking cap on stop?

"think the billions of Christians and the power they have over the world is a display of their success, they have all but conquered the world." How so? Um nope. If true then why isn"t the world ruled through christianity as through one god in which it isn"t even close? Yes jesus is the most talked about figure in history though violence and hate and is the most fought after figure in history. What idiot wants that? What moron wants to believe in that especially those who model after him? So absolutely jesus is a complete failure. A true icon of hate.

Matthew 7:15-20 Read it again. I have read it again. It proves jesus"s imperfection. That"s all that"s needed to prove that your jesus is not a god and is a false prophet and is not nor ever was divine.

Hmmm false prophets Oh you mean like David Koresh, or Hitler, or Hong Xiuquan? They all used YOUR religion to gain and maintain power through fear and then control. Oh gee, that"s what the entire bible is. Disaster is what jesus is/ was. Have you even read what jesus demands and how you cannot possibly be a christian if you are even remotely intelligent? Nope. Watch this video. It might wake you up with some verses from YOUR bible.
- Why Does Every Intelligent christian disobey jesus?
If you have any questions I can present you with the actual verses. I don"t think I have enough space to present them within a 10,000 character idiotic range that debate.org allows.

Oh yes jesus did say he would return within a generation.
Luke 21: 27-32 "27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. 29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; 30 hen they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled."

I really cannot stand it when people claim to know something, yet they pretend that they do and they really don"t.

Let"s look at it this way" "Jesus broke the thou shall not covet commandment" Thou shall not bare false witness against thy neighbor?" I used those as references because its far far far worse than that. Your jesus lied about his god not about his neighbor which is horrific at best proving once again that he"s not the savior because in no possible way would HIS god/ heavenly father EVER EVER EVER EVER work on the sabbath, not for ANY reason. And if you don"t know that, and or if ANYBODY does not know that, then they do not know anything about god and the bible. Period.

"As for breaking the Sabbath, you do know that priests were allowed to break the Sabbath in Judaic law." Oh really? According to what? And yet you cannot provide any verses in your bible to prove this. Naturally. Why not? And if that were in anyway true, that they were allowed to break the sabbath, then that means that god himself changes his mind. Great going you for believing in an imperfect god as YOUR god did not have the foresight to see this. But then again its such a ridiculous law to begin with to put people to death for not worshiping the sabbath, just as nearly every-single-one of god's laws are ridiculous.

Um no, try reading the verse, not the chapter, satan is taking jesus around on his leash, NOT the other way around. In other words, jesus is NOT in control of satan as it should be, satan is in control of jesus thus proving jesus"s lack of perfection and divinity to not be able to control a situation.
Also stupid me for missing it" pay attention to verse 8 "8 Again, the devil *took Him to a very high mountain and *showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory;" Well um gee what does that tell you? Your jesus is most certainly not in control here. The bible is corrupted and cannot be trusted.

In no possible way is jesus god and or divine and should not be worshiped, just like god in which nobody can prove even exists for any reason.

OK I have some space left over to post some of the verses in which proves that no intelligent person is a christian because of jesus's demands.
Hate your families... Your father, your brothers, your sisters and what idiot would do this for an untrusted unproved jesus thus proving that YOU are in no way a true christian?
Matthew 10: 35-37 "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

Luke 12 51-53 "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."

Matthew 19: 28-29 "28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life."
So great! Hate and abandoned your families because an invisible unproved jesus says so and follow a nothingness into a void. And yep if you don't do this, then you are NOT a true christian.

Get rid of ALL of your possessions...
Luke 14:33 "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple."

Luke 18:22 "Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me."
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Matthew 19: 28-29 "28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life."

Matthew 19:21 "21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

Matthew 13: 22 "22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful."
So how come you have a computer? Do you have a car? Do you have a house, a TV, a couch, a bed, a hydrogen bomb, a toaster oven, etc etc etc Yes? No? Some of them you surely do. Well then you are not a christian by these jokingly sad pathetic truly selfish jesus christian laws telling you to get rid of ALL of your possessions and FOLLOW him. Yeah. Well where are you going to go? Certainly you are NOT that unintelligent to believe in such trash.

jesus in no possible way is a god nor divine with demands like that. PERIOD.
ANANIGMA

Con

Can you define what you mean by God or what standards would make someone a God? Because it looks like your saying God is false cause of all the messed up stuff God does, and Jesus is false because of all the messed up stuff he did. This means your evidence proves they have the same attributes in common therefor even though it's a negative ("false"), Jesus fits your criteria to be a God because both are false.

It really appears you want to debate not on whether Jesus is a God or not. But whether Jesus is a Good guy or a Bad guy. In this case, we are debating over a matter of opinion where I choose "The bible is true because Jesus is true thus Jesus is a god according to the bible" verses they both being false. I think he was a Good guy and when I read about the things he did and said, I am drawn more to the positive message he had to give. I am not going to say that I agree with everything, you make a point of dividing families that I sympathize with. When I first heard that I was disturbed but in my own humility and accepting Jesus spoke in parables, I accept I am not ready to receive what the positive message is in this. If you got it all figured out and this is evil, that is your choice to see evil in the book overall.

For the few questionable verses, there are a thousandfold positive ones for me. When asked what was the most important lesson Jesus had to give the world, this was his answer:

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:37-40

Love your God and your neighbor... I disagree with your assessment that Jesus is an icon of hate and unworthy of praise, people who speak and show such things in life are called "divine" in my eyes. Even if you take away all the miracles which I am sure you calls myths away from the guy. What you are left with is a persona that I believe everyone should aspire to be like. This is why the majority of people accept him as "Lord", "God", "Savior" or whatever nomenclature they use.

Here are some of the things you quoted and how I interpret them. I suggest reading the entire chapters instead of taking small chunks out of context so you can understand he was speaking to particular group of people on narrow issues and not broad ones.

Sell all your possessions.
Jesus was putting into perspective how important it is to remove yourself from things that cause you to do evil in this world. Luke 18 is saying that those people who have a lot and give to the poor acquire treasures in heaven. What is so bad about charity??? Do you support the greedy rich who are destroying the middle class and causing a growing poor population all across the world cause giving people a wage they can live on cuts into their profit margin?

in Matthew 5:29-30 Jesus makes his point even more stern. "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell."

This is a common argument that if God existed then why does he allow poor people to suffer, why doesn't he do anything? WHY DON'T YOU??? You know since your so MORALLY SUPERIOR, Go give the things you have in abundance and are not needed for your own survival to those who are dying on the streets. Oh, that is right: you just talk about it... right. But Jesus is the bad guy and his demands are selfish.

John 13:12-17 "So after he (JESUS) had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you? Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them."

So again what makes Jesus such a bad guy?? If it's the Satan thing, your really reaching hard on this one. No one who isn't specifically looking for that conclusion in that episode believes Jesus is following Satan there. Jesus is literally rebuking all of Satan's requests and you think because Satan can offer Jesus something. Therefor Jesus is beneath and powerless to Satan. What part of refusing Satan are you having trouble with here? Is Satan had power over Jesus he would of pulled some Jedi mind-trick and made Jesus take the offer.

God didn't use TEXT as a form of communication. He spoke directly to PROPHETS who in turn wrote what they claim GOD told them. You do understand what a prophet is and that they wrote the bible, right? Literally no believer has ever said Isaiah, Joshua, or Paul were GOD. Jesus is the only one who is questioned to be and Jesus didn't write anything that we know of... Sorry Text isn't good enough for you but that is how we hand down information over the ages.

As for Jesus returning as the Son of Man. I thought you meant the Comforter. In Luke, Jesus is referring not the people of his own generation. He is speaking of a future generation that will witness the coming of the Son of Man. In Matthew, he says it will be like the Days of Noah. Jesus's time was not like that of Noah. One being the Sons of God begun marrying the Daughters of Men. The other and more important is people began to become oblivious to the Judgement of God, which means there was a max exodus from religious obedience. In Jesus's time, religion still held it's grip over the world. Jesus spoke in parables and beyond the scope of a literal mind.

If I left anything out it is because we are not debating scripture or a rebutal would derail the subject of the debate.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

"Can you define what you mean by God or what standards would make someone a God?" That"s easy. Everything that the bible isn"t. Perfection. To provide peace, kindness, love, care for each other, harmony. Your god has ---never--- done that.

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Those of us schooled from infancy in his ways can become desensitized to their horror." - Richard Dawkins

Well you are correct. Both god is imperfect and jesus is imperfect. But just because jesus is imperfect, that doesn"t make him a god, nor because god is imperfect that doesn"t make him a god either. In other words according to YOUR bible, there"s no such a thing as god. YOUR bible proves it. YOUR bible is its own worst enemy and eats at itself from within. That"s again why YOUR laughable supposed unproved in which nobody has ever proved god would ---never--- choose text as a form of communication to get everything, especially that one, wrong.

And with your reasoning, you are saying that I am saying that EVERYBODY would be considered to be a god. WRONG.

Well both jesus AND god are bad "guys" and imperfect. That imperfection proves that they are not gods. What is so hard to understand about that?

"I am not going to say that I agree with everything, you make a point of dividing families that I sympathize with." Well then you are not a christian in any way possible. Neither is anyone else who has not dutifully dumped their families. Only someone who is completely insane and full of absoltute s--t would do and ask something so completely monstrous. Absolutely that is nothing but pure and absolute 100% and total evil to demand as such. But then again his papa stated that he was "evil" several times. And he"s right. He is if you are idiotic enough to believe in him.

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment." Now why would anybody be stupid and ignorant enough to do that when this god according to the bible caused mass extinction killing babies suckling on their mother nipples in the great flood that never happened?

YOUR god truly hates children for beginners"
2 Samuel 12:11-14 11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. 12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. 13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. From evilbible.com [The child dies seven days later.] This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

Deuteronomy 2:34 "And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:"

Numbers 31:17-18 "17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Leviticus 26:21-22 "And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. 22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate." Rob you of your children?

Hosea 13:16 "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." Wow. Such a nice gentle caring god. This book should clearly be read to children - correct? And there"s plenty more. Sheesh.

Your god caused massive genocides for no reason"
Indeed god is far far far worse than Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan combined. Here's some examples... 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813 etc etc etc Yeah god is really so moral huh? There"s no such a thing as "love" within any genocide.

Do you believe that" Is killing evil? Y____? N____? Is slavery evil? Y____? N____? Is rape evil? Y____? N____? Is hating gays and wanting to stone them to death evil? Y____? N____? Is deliberate genocide evil? Y____? N____? Is hating children evil? Y____? N____? Is believing in different gods a warrant for death? Y____? N____? Is not believing in YOUR god worthy of being stoned to death? Y____? N____? All of these your god has freely admitted to and participated in.

And now we are getting somewhere "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." But you really don"t need jesus to tell you that. And its been told before jesus otherwise the world would certainly be at eternal war before jesus in which didn"t happen.

You can disagree with my assessment all you want about the fact that jesus is the most fought over character in history. That"s not my problem. That"s yours. Please do some research. One religion says this about him while another say that. One says this and yet another says that. And in the meantime all the wars keep going on and on and on. And in the meantime guess what? Atheists are the most peaceful people on the planet. Atheists do not make war on atheists for the mere sake of atheism whereas religion makes war on religion all the fricken time.

"Jesus was putting into perspective how important it is to remove yourself from things that cause you to do evil in this world." Your "possessions" do not cause evil unto you. Its your mind and how YOU use them that does. And then for you to "follow me", that"s pure evil especially an invisible air nothingness that can"t be proved to give people false hope. And if you REALLY want to get into it, the free will issues, IF and only IF your god is god, he is in control of your free will as well as every---single---soul. So everything you do is perfectly run by him so needless to say he warpes your thinking/ free will into his free will. In other words you have no free will which is an entirely different subject. So here especially YOUR god governs your mind to do evil unto you. Why not? He"s done it multiple times in HIS bible.

I"ve seen both the greedy rich and the poverty level. My dad is greedy rich. I now live at the poverty level. But your god is in control of them both IF you are stupid enough to believe in him.

The middle class? Oh please. Grow up. Who cares about the middle class. Try living at the poverty level you schmuck.

"in Matthew 5:29-30" Is one of the sickest, stupidest, dumbest, moronic things ever put to print. Um no. You do not cut off your hand or pluck out your eye if you make a miss-steak. That"s pure 100% evil to mention as such that can only come from a 100% pure evil character that only the ible can produce. What you do is you YOU TALK TO YOURSELF and say "Hey I did something wrong." Or you get help from a friend or someone else like a psychologist which is what I do. BUT YOU DO NOT FOLLOW JESUS FOR CHRISTS SAKE. NOT EVER. Yeah but you would - right? AND you fully expect other christians to follow YOUR christ also?

"This is a common argument that if God existed then why does he allow poor people to suffer, why doesn't he do anything? WHY DON'T YOU???" I told you I live in poverty. But If I could donate $1 I would. But here"s the thing that you and other like you don"t get is that this world is NOT based on MONEY nor wealth.

When she dies does she get to go to heaven? If she gets to go to heaven will she be happy? And she"ll probably say "yes". And you say "Will you be able to choose and do anything you want while you are in heaven?" And she"ll say "yes." And so you are basically saying "you"ll have free will in heaven?" So you have free will in heaven and no one is being hurt, raped, so you can do anything you want and no one gets hurt. If god has that power in heaven, he must have that power on earth. So he"s chose not to set that condition/ toggle switch which means he"s a dick. Phil Ferguson

"I could be wrong and tomorrow I could find out that there is a god. And that I do have a soul. It wouldn't change much for me as to how I live my life. Because I"ve already come to good reasons to do things. I"m open to being corrected on them. But what"s going to correct me is reason and evidence. Not appealing to a god. And people ask me "well what are you going to do if you die and you stand up before god" (hands in the air) hey I tried. I used my brain. I followed the evidence where it was" and by the way if your character is actually depicted in the bible or the koran I don"t want to have nothing to do with you. I"m already morally superior to you. I already care more about people than you do. I know. I never sanctioned slavery. Never sanctioned genocide. (beat) gods have." Matt Dillahunty

I'm out of space.
ANANIGMA

Con

I am glad you pointed out that God should be peaceful, kind, loving, harmonious, and should care for others. I completely agree with you and I sincerely hope you find that as I have.

If you believe as Dawkins does in that the God of the Old Testament is the embodiment of evil. I have a question for you. What would you think of someone who read a (any)book and walked up to you in front of a group of your peers and said, "I read in this book that your mother was a racist, murderer, bigot, and whore." Would you or anyone in that group think this was a peaceful or kind thing to do? So if Dawkins is your example of a moral Atheist, tell me again how atheists like him are promoting a harmonious relationship with other people? Telling people who believe differently than you that their beliefs are rooted in evil and then displaying that very same evil only shows the world that you are the very thing you pretend to hate. Not only that but this person is a liar because they cannot even understand the truth about themselves, let alone someone else. Or possibly worse if they are willingly telling lies of themselves, a hypocrite.

When you talk about my god being all these negative and horrible things, you are not talking about my god. You are telling me about YOUR GOD. I know you don"t believe in god but it is terminology used to understand a Social truth. See Jesus said, "All those who hear the word shall be called Gods." The term "GOD" will be used to reiterate a universal law rooted deep inside us that our species obeys regardless of religious beliefs. So don"t worry about justifying your disbelief in God, this is that law:

"People will judge you by your actions and you will be known for your actions. If your actions display good, you will be known as a good person. If your actions display evil, you will be judged as an evil person." It is that simple.

Just as this, the person who is witnessed telling another that their mother is a whore will not be seen as a loving and caring person who seeks peace with others. This person will instead be judged as a jealous, petty, unjust, vindictive, megalomaniacal, capricious malevolent bully. (I am paraphrasing Dawkin's description of the Old Testament God to show how much he and others like him have in common with this deity. Sad)

Regardless of Truth.

I am sure you are thinking but it"s the truth. I looked in the bible and your god is all those things and you can"t deny that. Your right, but you did not look for the good in the book like a good person would. You sought out the evil in the book. Jesus said, "Seek and you shall find. And all those things will be added unto you." He also said, "You will know them by their fruit". Your fruit is everything that you have sought out, added to your own system of beliefs, and then showed to the world. Take a look at your view of people of faith and how you are choosing to present your argument. Is your fruit not filled with anger and hatred?

See Christians see Jesus as their lord and they wish to bring out into the world what they believe Jesus would do. They understand everything I just told you on a spiritual level (even if it is unconscious) and therefor are blessed. So if they say, "Jesus loves you" really they are saying they care for you. Jesus said, "I am the Truth, the Way, and the Life." This is what it means to spread the Gospel. Gospel means "good news" thus translating to a person who shares good news with others.

Certainly there is evil in the bible. However, someone who wishes to believe God should be everything you said in your first paragraph will turn away from the evil and seek the good the next time you (example) use the Bible to present your argument. I am not going to do it for you; I challenge you to try your best by using your brain and follow the evidence like Dillahunty claims he has done.

Thus I conclude the Bible is the truth because it can understand you better than you understand yourself. Jesus is the truth because he understood the truth in the bible and was able to convey that message to every one of his believers over 2000 years. This makes Jesus a God because again he could understand and pass along God"s message to the world.
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Pro

"I sincerely hope you find that as I have." In no way have you. No you say "I don"t know". That"s because you lie everybody who has ---ever--- lived cannot prove your god. Proof of that is how would you define him? What test would you perform? How would you demonstrate this god of yours exists when nobody can? Are you super extra special on this planet that you can be the only person who can? See you don"t even know what YOUR god is. So you are stuck with the terminology of "i don"t know" because you don"t know, as nobody knows, which is the atheist and scientific approach - that is until your god decides to stop playing his childish game of hide-n-go-seek if he exists in which there"s no possible way he can unless you believe in utter hate and evil.

"If you believe as Dawkins does" " I don"t believe it, I know it, but that"s according to the texts of your bible in which you clearly without question have not read, nor have you watched the videos to be able to come up with any reasonably thinking, reasoning, rationalizing, common sense, logical based ideals on your supposed god because your god, religion and bible doesn"t require a single ounce of it.
Then you ask a really stupid beyond stupid question that only christians would ask"
If TRUE then it would be acceptable. Now with what is stated in YOUR bible according to you MUST be true you total arrogant self righteous prick. "I read the book""

"atheists like him are promoting a harmonious relationship with other people?" OH PLEASE!!!!!!!! Trying to backpeddle the noose from around your neck just because you cannot accept the absolute fact that your religion IS HATE as ultimately proved to like a slap in the face because YOUR jesus is the most fought after figure in the history of the human race, that"s not my problem, that"s yours and it serves up to you as a supermassive major hypocritical contradiction just like your entire bible is.

"Telling people who believe differently than you"" No that"s NOT what I do. See that"s also what christians CANNOT do, is they CANNOT FRICKEN READ. Do you know what "reading" is? You know. Words. Sentences? I tell people about the hatred and evils of god. I do NOT tell people to not believe. Oh but hold on here, how many christians follow YOUR bible and try to knock on MY DOOR or here on debate.org or wherever and go way way wayyyyyyyyyy out of their way to try to deliberately convert me and others into YOUR immoral and corruptible god in which you cannot even prove exists? Oh but wait that"s EXACTLY what YOUR bible/ god ORDERS you to do!!!!!!
Isaiah 45 21:23 21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."
And YOUR god, in which YOU praise has committed countless genocides over it, plus a whole lot more, as previously proved to you. But your god killing innocent babies still suckling on their mother nipples, ordering the killing of every single person who is gay to die, ordering every single person who breaks the sabbath to die, ordering every single person who commits adultery to die, ordering every single person who curses at their parents to die, fully endorsing slavery as being perfectly OK, fully endorsing rape as being perfectly OK etc etc etc proves YOU to be as immoral as YOUR god. And there are multiple verses to prove all. But nah, like I said, you have not read YOUR bible. Nor have you watched the videos in which is so point---blank---obvious. But wait, its perfectly OK that you honestly believe that you should s--t shovel me your B.S. information about your god, christ, religion and bible without knowing squat about it and yet you honestly try to pretend that you do, just as is the same with nearly all
I"ve debated.

"When you start making excuses for atrocities you have removed yourself from ANY valid discussion on morals. When you say "yes the bible says you can own slaves but" well now you"re contradicting yourself because before I was asking if you thought the bible was accurately representing the mind of god, the will of god. You"ve got this conflicted mess of contradictions and you"ve found a way to rationalize them. You"ve gone and looked at them and said "boy that one really sounds bad, BUT that"s what Israel was doing that"s not what god was doing. So let me ask you this" do you believe that there"s an all knowing all powerful fun loving god who has an important message for humanity and he is so completely inept that his best attempts at communicating to people managed to convey the exact opposite message of what you think he meant? Now like are you the one who got it right? And all the people who authored the holy book and got you started that they managed to get it wrong? Is your god such a bumbling buffoon that he cannot state "thou shalt not own somebody as another human being?" or "please don"t rape the people and pillage the villages around you"" and he managed to communicate so poorly that it got written down as Thou shalt be able to own other people as property and oh by the way go over there and kill everybody kill everything except for the young virgins. Its asinine. You cannot reconcile this." Matt Dillahunty

Yes I do call many others liars because they do not know what their bible states and or how to interpret it, like you. And then when the rabbit hole digs deeper, which is so painfully obvious, you really should read up on some texts as to how people lie because I have, and also play some poker because I do and I"m quite good at it, then it is so ridiculously easy to spot someone who invents excuses and or flat out lies in meager attempts to save themselves from a drowning ship.

"When you talk about my god"" Whoa stop right there boy. "My god", Oh I get it now. YOUR god is YOUR possession. YOU OWN YOUR god. That's why you get into so much trouble. "all these negative and horrible things" Wow. its YOUR bible that says it. But like I said, you---can"t---read. Nor did you watch the videos.

You are right, I am not talking about YOUR god because there"s absolutely no such thing as being a christian. None. The laws are your god"s, NOT the laws of jesus in which YOU knowingly break which are truly monstrous to begin with.

""People will judge you by your actions and you will be known for your actions. If your actions display good, you will be known as a good person. If your actions display evil, you will be judged as an evil person."" I do not ensue slavery, turn the left cheek towards suffering, order death for homosexuals, adulterers, those that curse at their parents, order death for those that worship other gods, I don"t kill others or order it especially commit genocide for no reason, I don"t love rape etc etc etc.
You god does. It is that simple. But you CAN"T READ.

Regardless of Truth.

"Seek and you shall find." And why should I or any stupid person on the planet do that when this maggot is telling people like you who are incredibly inept to stand up for themselves and say "no" I"m NOT going to deal with this lice ridden stone cold smooth talker integrity-less who is telling me that MUST hate my family for any reason, nor should I have to listen to anyone who is telling me to give up ALL OF MY POSSESSIONS for any reasons, and no I"m not dumb enough to listen to barking words from someone like swallowing poison from a snake and I"ll be fine, I don"t need to listen to that slavery is OK, I don"t need to listen to anything that concerns sin and hell because they don"t exist, and then I don"t need to follow him - well where would I follow him to WITHOUT PROOF OF ANY KIND etc etc etc, because I"m a fricken good enough person on my own god damn it and I DO NOT need this crap."

So let"s talk about truth because you mentioned faith also" Faith is not a pathway to truth because every-single-thing can be stated about faith. In regards to your god, with his self righteous ego complex, he"d NEVER use faith. Now here"s something to help you because you desperately need and require it"
"Why would you believe anything on faith? Faith isn"t a pathway to truth. Every religion has some sort of faith. If faith is your pathway you can"t distinguish between christianity, Hinduism, judaism, any of these others. How is it that you use ---reason--- in every of the other endeavor in your life and then when it comes to the ultimate truth, the most important truth your"re saying that faith is required and how is that supposed to reflect on a god? What kind of a god requires faith instead of evidence?" Matt Dillahunty

"Faith is the reason people give when they don"t have evidence." Matt Dillahunty

"Faith can be very very dangerous, and deliberately to implant it into the vulnerable mind of an innocent child is a grievous wrong." Richard Dawkins

"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is the belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." Richard Dawkins

Conclusion
My opponent has not in any way proven that his savior jesus was a god. He can't even prove he ever existed. I did prove that jesus lacked perfection, that he worked on the sabbath he should have thus been put to death, that he lied for his superior hogwash god, that he was lead around on a leash by satan. These things prove jesus was nothing but a handmaids tale myth well spread eagle of smooth talking that has lasted throughout the centuries of hate. That's what has been spread more than anything with all the wars and all the bodies piled on top of each other in the name of jesus.
ANANIGMA

Con

Good debate bro. Wish there was ALOT less Ad Hominem involved as I felt it was more about attacking each other personally rather than actually having a debate over whether your statement in the subject was valid.

Your wrong about my religious view by the way, I never claimed to be fundamental Christian like you dressed me up as. To be fair, you never asked either. I am a spiritual theologian who believes in God and the Gospel of Christ but also other the validity of other religions. Mostly for their historical and philosophical importance to humanity. This includes sharing many of views Atheists have although I completely disagree with how they present their arguments, see my example in round 3.

My suggestion is you need to actually read the Bible instead of parroting arguments from Atheists Youtube videos if you want to argue against it. Example instead of using up the whole 10k character limit to argue God is the cause of evil. You could of made this point with Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

Anyway Best of Wishes to you in your future endeavors. I hope you find the peace your looking for in life. God Bless.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by ANANIGMA 7 months ago
ANANIGMA
"You are so ridiculously brainwashed and indoctrinated that nothing will change your mind."

Thought you weren't trying to convert me??

"Strange isn't it that I ---NEVER--- not once try to convert you and or others to atheism".

Uh huh.
Posted by backwardseden 7 months ago
backwardseden
YOU are totally addicted to your ape-like religion like a meth and heroin addict is to his drugs and you could not give it up even if god himself was to slap you in the face and tell you he was not the real deal. Wow. I can't even sympathize with an oatmeal fix like that.
Hate? Wow. What makes you happy? See if you can put down god and live a little as previously suggested. Nope. You are so ridiculously brainwashed and indoctrinated that nothing will change your mind.
As far as me is concerned, I've seen everything there is to see. Point blank period bub. I could tell you some true stories that would turn your soul black. And then I could tell you about me. Your precious christ, who suffered for no reason, who you cannot even prove existed, had it easy who suffered for 17 hours, tops.
This will be my final post to you. Bye. You think you have all the answers to life's greatest mysteries - and beyond.
Posted by backwardseden 7 months ago
backwardseden
@ANANIGMA - I unlike you do not believe in "love your enemies" which is NOT a pathway to peace, love, kindness, care for each other, harmony el great fire ant on the weenie to get a new high.
Oh I get it, I should show others compassion, care and kindness when they come on in here, and not only disrespect me, but themselves AND their religion by not knowing what they are talking about and yet they pretend that they do, just---like---you in which it is my right to gobble up like a yeast infection resurrection according to a college that I went to, and the best class I ever had, by far, taught by the best teacher, by far, I mean what moron would ---ever--- want to hang around with jerks like that AND its why they have no genuine friends or loved ones - a HUGE red flag. And if they pull that crap to their teachers = instant F. They, like you, present no substantial evidence to support your case WITH PROOF. You nor anybody can prove god which is why I've won ALL of my debates here on debate.org. I've also won them because its not about winning to me, its about what is right and what is wrong. god is clearly wrong, no exceptions. All you gotta do is read the fricken bible in which roughly 79% of those who claim themselves to be christian do not do, probably you are among those ranks. But as stated your god would not choose text as a form of communication. And he wouldn't unless extremely stupid. Oh and oh yeah, since you nor anyone can prove jesus, this argument started out just fine.
Atheism. How can I even make the attempt to convert you or anyone to atheism when there's no book on atheism? That's something your swirling little mind doesn't get. But by gum there's YOUR bible with all of your conversion ratios as your god demands. Oh and oh yeah, atheists do not go pounding on YOUR doors to convert YOU to atheism. YOU/ christians go pounding on others homes trying to convert others into christianity. BIG HUGE MONUMENTAL DIFFERENCE.
Posted by ANANIGMA 7 months ago
ANANIGMA
------"I believe in peace, kindness, care, love, harmony, care for each other. Now get this and get this good... YOUR god could have chosen all of that. Nah he chose evil, anger, wrath, vengeance rage, fury, jealousy which IS HATE and he neatly passed all that down to man. Wow what a great god."

Yeah I never doubted it for a second. I have never felt so much love coming from someone"s comments. Your about to bust with all the love and compassion you want to give others, huh? Probably why you rant so much, you can no longer keep it in. It"s so heavy inside that you just have to get it out.

------"Oh and btw, I've never lost a debate here, not one. Take one lucky guess as to the reason as to the why? Actually there's 2 reasons. And I'm most certainly NOT the victim here, YOU are for being so naive and gullible."

Oh really, 2 whole reasons? Is it because in the others you didn"t start off with a logical fallacy in the first paragraph of your argument? Which by the way someone else pointed out to you as well as me in a later argument. Still you didn"t get it but I bet that was all part of your master plan to trick me because I am so gullible.

------"You just can't stand it to lose no matter which angle its coming at yah from. And I never tried to convert YOU buddy boy who has a thing for toaster ovens, YOU tried to convert me."
Yeah, you"re right. That"s definitely it and it shows when I tell you debate is over and you write an essay for me in gibberish. I say you"re ranting and I get an epic novel. You"re the Nigel Tomm of ranting.

Convert you? To what? During our debate I said you should read the bible but now that it is over. I think you should take a break from all this religious stuff. It clearly isn"t bringing any amount of happiness to your life so why you spending so much time on it? You"ve made a STRONG decision that God isn"t for you, so move on" go do some activities that you like instead of dwelling on things that you hate.
Posted by backwardseden 7 months ago
backwardseden
@ANANIGMA - You just can't stand it to lose no matter which angle its coming at yah from. And I never tried to convert YOU buddy boy who has a thing for toaster ovens, YOU tried to convert me. I can smell arrogant self righteous pricks like you coming blitzkrieg ahead before you utter a single syllable. If this was a game of poker I'd take all of your chips before you'd even sit down to the game. Oh and btw, I've never lost a debate here, not one. Take one lucky guess as to the reason as to the why? Actually there's 2 reasons. And I'm most certainly NOT the victim here, YOU are for being so naive and gullible. Oh and I went on the attack for you being a dick and trying to convert me, I most certainly didn't play a lab rat victim. You are just as pathetic as all other christians here on this site. But you might actually have some friends and loved ones, unlike the rest, but they most certainly are NOT genuine friends and loved ones that you have. Yeah I do take things personal. I take YOUR god's hate drum roll please......................... personal. I believe in peace, kindness, care, love, harmony, care for each other. Now get this and get this good... YOUR god could have chosen all of that. Nah he chose evil, anger, wrath, vengeance rage, fury, jealousy which IS HATE and he neatly passed all that down to man. Wow what a great god. And I mentioned it before unto your beady little eyes so I'm not going to mention it again. Try reading the entire book of Nahum where he references pretty close to 80% of all those terms of himself in just the first chapter. I have read YOUR bible spewing with YOUR god's hate. YOU have not. That is so fricken obvious. Even when point blank showed to your very own eyes you have to develop miserable excuses and go into flat out denial rather than accepting YOUR GOD AT---HIS---WORD which is very typical of the typical christian.
Posted by ANANIGMA 7 months ago
ANANIGMA
oh please. you started a debate about god, jesus and the bible being false but because someone gives an argument in favor of it being true; you cry victim saying they are trying to convert you. it was a debate. u take things too personal and ur ranting again.
Posted by backwardseden 7 months ago
backwardseden
@ANANIGMA - Will si yo hablo Espanol, thiers ni such a thing as comprehending god now is there because your a$$holiness cannot even define what god is. Duh. Nobody can. If you could, you'd be the only quadrillionaire on the planet and you'd be the supreme head honcho big cheese to be able to interpret for everyone want your supposed god wants in his noodling little smallpox hateful head. Its not my problem that there's so much hate in him, that's the printed word and it might be just a teeny weeny bit helpful if you would actually read your bible rather than standing around like a big oaf and pretending that you do.
Strange isn't it that I ---NEVER--- not once try to convert you and or others to atheism, but yet you try to convert me to christianity all-the-fricken-time. Wow how childish because I don't believe in hate. AND I DEMAND, and so do those who are intelligent and edumacated, something that is TANGIBLE for jeez sakes, and yet there's not one single thing from YOUR god. So don't tell me I should believe because that's utter stupidity, gullibility, and more or less like a pregnant transsexual prostitute who still shaves his nuts in the dead of winter so he can become a mighty She-Ra queen of the jungle vampiress during the cold war at a nun's pep rally as he spritzes on a dash of skunk perfume to make his life smell a little better.
Posted by ANANIGMA 7 months ago
ANANIGMA
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Posted by backwardseden 7 months ago
backwardseden
Thur's plenti of toppicks lick amhung my favs gud wud nut use tixt a$$ a firm of cumunikation, fre wull dust note' exit eff u beleif und gud whitch is obvuis, therer's moore thun un gud accurding to duh bibwhole, y wud aany1 wunt to beluve in gud? y wood any1 wet 2 beluv in je-sus? u due note wurship gud, you are goy, u course at you pants, you are an adultwhorer, u WoLL DuE! Hew Con Aany Intogont porson belive thit gud is gad? duh bibwhole his no plice en la todoy's societi, fatwhole bibwhole flews, vat es duh vorst thang abutt gud accurdiug 2 duh bibwhole?y es der su mucho hate' in gud? Bibwhole contrudicktuns und incansistercies ththis milking duh biwhole unreadabwhole und gud es duh frired --- will Me du haust, du haust mensh hasseth lotsa subjoits 4 debeets. Jist lookie atteth mi debaeats. Si' yu hablow espanol. tc und haveth thee f-o-n. - Michael
Posted by ANANIGMA 7 months ago
ANANIGMA
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