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S.Weekes
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americanfascist
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The burka, hijab and the niqab are not a compulsory, or even a relevent, part of Islam.

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Started: 8/8/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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S.Weekes

Pro

My argument is simple yet it is regarding a very important part of the subjugation of women and the lack of integration in western societies today: The burqa, hijab and the niqab are not a compulsory, or even a relevant, part of Islam. All are welcome to debate with me however it would be better if you have some prior knowledge about the topic. You may utilise the Quran and Hadith as long as you provide the English translation. I look forward to the debate.
americanfascist

Con

"O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle."

" Qur'an, Surah 33 (Al-Ahzab), Verse 59

Even if Burqas, Hijabs, or Niqabs aren't commanded by Islam, that does not stop them from being relevant, as they are. Feminists for one LOVE to debate whether or not wearing a burqa is good, and laws (like those in France) are very controversial.
Debate Round No. 1
S.Weekes

Pro

"O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outer garments close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle."

Was that verse suggesting that women should cover everything but their eyes? No, it did not! In fact the actual verses is:

أقول يا النبي، الزوجات الخاص بك وبناتك ونساء المؤمنين إسقاط على أنفسهم [جزء] من ملابسهم الخارجية. وهذا أكثر مناسبة أنها سوف تكون معروفة ولا يساء. ومن أي وقت
مضى هو مسامحة الله والرحمن الرحيم.

Which actually translates to: O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and all of the faithful women to draw parts of there clothes closer to them. This way is better as they will not be recognized and annoyed.

Recognized by who? By enemies of Islam. This is basically saying: If you tighten your dresses the enemies won't recognize you and therefor wont kill you, rob you etc. The problem, Being robbed and attacked, was prominent in the periods of war. There's no war anymore so why would women have to tighten their clothes?

There is disagreement in Islamic circles as to what extent Quran advocates the wearing of the burka. However, The Quran does not specifically mention the burka or tell women to wear such extremely confining clothes. Instead, it instructs men and women to dress and behave modestly in society (24:31).

There are guidelines for women: Cover your chest (24:31); Lengthen your garments (33:59) and for both sexes: The best garment is righteousness and modest conduct (7:26).

Also this is not compulsory: "There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in God has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. God is Hearer, Omniscient." 2:256
americanfascist

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
S.Weekes

Pro

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americanfascist

Con

You just said that the burqa is a relevant part of Islam due to the discussions of them within Muslim circles...
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Reasons for voting decision: This debate suffered from a lack of definition--specifically in what "relevant" means. As Con is the only one who really even tried to give a meaning to the term that would make sense in terms of the resolution, it seems fitting that, given what Pro conceded in terms of the disagreement on the burka/hijab/niqab, Con gets the argument points. I think this debate would have gone better had it been more rigorous. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.