The Instigator
Atheism
Pro (for)
Losing
9 Points
The Contender
Kinesis
Con (against)
Winning
29 Points

The cake is a lie.

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after 11 votes the winner is...
Kinesis
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/4/2010 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (2)
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Atheism

Pro

I assert that the cake at the end of the game Portal is a lie.
Cake definition:A sweet baked food made of flour, liquid, eggs, and other ingredients, such as raising agents and flavorings.
I thank my opponent in advance for providing me with my first debate.
Kinesis

Con

As epic as Portal is, and as awesome as the 'The cake is a lie' meme is, unfortunately, like most internet memes, it doesn't actually make any sense when you look at it a little closer.

A cake is an object. Objects cannot be true or false, only statements about things can.

The resolution is therefore negated by virtue of it being grammatically incoherent.
Debate Round No. 1
Atheism

Pro

I assert that the cake at the end of the game Portal is a lie.
Cake definition:A sweet baked food made of flour, liquid, eggs, and other ingredients, such as raising agents and flavorings.
I thank my opponent in advance for providing me with my first debate.

Thank you for this debate.
Lie definition:
1 a : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive
From http://www.merriam-webster.com...

If we take this definition, you can see my statement would make sense.
'I assert that the cake at the end of the game Portal is an assertion of something untrue by the speaker *Glados* in an attempt to deceive the player and ultimately kill them.'
This statement right here is 100 % grammatically correct.

It is true that the speaker,Glados, attempts to deceive the player (heretofore stated as you) into believing that there is a cake so you will continue to go through all the arduous tasks that she continually insists upon you.

As you progress through the game, you will see that she eventually confesses that the cake she told you about was a lie.
Destroy her, and you eventually see a seemingly delicious 'cake' at the end of the game. However, taking the definition of cake, you will see that it is impossible to know if it is sweet, if it is made with all the necessary ingredients, and if it is baked. Therefore, we must assume that this is not a cake at all.

If we take that have happened prior to this, you will see that it is probably another elaborate ruse to subdue you into doing more tasks, or to kill you. If we go back just a little, you will see that it appears the station is destroyed, and Glados is dead. However, after the end credits, you will see that companion cube is there. You had previously destroyed companion cube. This means that the entire ordeal could be a dream, and that there never was cake, or this cake could be layered with a sleeping agent so you can perform more tests for the institute. If companion cube is still alive, who's to say Glados isn't, and that she is plotting against you? I mean, you actually hear her singing.

So, to summarize, there are three choices.
1)Glados is using this fake cake as a trap.
2) Hallucination/Dream
3)It isn't actually a cake, just a look-alike. Not a trap, but not a real cake.

In conclusion, it is reasonable and logical to at least assume that there is no cake, and it was a lie from Glados.
Thank you, again, for this debate. I urge the voters to vote in their best interest.
Kinesis

Con

Unfortunately, Pro's last round was almost entirely irrelevant. Contrary to his statement, given the definition he provided, the resolution is still impossible.

Let's look at Pro's interpretation of the resolution:

'I assert that the cake at the end of the game Portal is an assertion of something untrue by the speaker *Glados* in an attempt to deceive the player and ultimately kill them.'

But a cake cannot be a lie. A cake is a physical object, not a statement that could be true or false. A cake is not an assertion or a belief. A cake is, by Pro's definition 'A sweet baked food made of flour, liquid, eggs, and other ingredients, such as raising agents and flavorings'. Clearly, Pro's definitions do not agree with him.

For comparison, look at a statement which could be true or false:

'I will give you cake after you complete these tasks'

This statement could be a lie, or it could be the truth. From the game, it would be a lie from GLaDOS to motivate you. However, just the object 'cake' cannot be a lie, or the truth. It is just an object, not a statement about reality.

A cake can neither be truth or lie, therefore the resolution is negated. Vote CON.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by Mr.Gompers 6 years ago
Mr.Gompers
Wait, I beat portal a few weeks ago and I remember being shown a cake at the end, after you defeat glados.
Posted by Atheism 6 years ago
Atheism
-Hopes no one votebombs-
Posted by Atheism 6 years ago
Atheism
Mm, but then that could spiral off into some weird type of discussion about reality or such. Well, after this voting period is over, sure.
Posted by Kinesis 6 years ago
Kinesis
I feel bad about using this argument now...we can debate whether the cake was real or not if you want.
Posted by Atheism 6 years ago
Atheism
I actually forgot who I was debating against...Lol. Sorry, Kinesis! =D
Posted by Kinesis 6 years ago
Kinesis
Never played Portal?
Posted by Rockylightning 6 years ago
Rockylightning
wtf is this
Posted by Kinesis 6 years ago
Kinesis
Ah, I've just realised I could have made a more interesting argument. Oh well.
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