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EtCaWhJa
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The chicken came first

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/23/2012 Category: Science
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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EtCaWhJa

Pro

The chicken came first for many reasons. First is the new research by scientist at Sheffield and Warwick University. Another reason is that theology tells you that god created all the birds first and blessed them with eggs, how you define eggs and how the chickens came around.
beatmaster2012

Con

I accept, shoot away.
Debate Round No. 1
EtCaWhJa

Pro

First argument is that evolution would have brought the chicken first. When a bird is born from an egg, the hatchling and egg are considered part of the species that laid it. After it has been born Scientist and other people can call the animal an new species like a chicken. My example is that when a red jungle fowl (chicken ancestor) lays an egg, that egg is considered and the hatchling born from it are considered a red jungle fowl. The scientists or other people can look at its DNA or see special traits that the hatchling has and declare it a new species, meaning that the egg was not a chicken, but if that new species lays eggs, they will be called chicken eggs because of its parents would be known as chickens.
beatmaster2012

Con

So species mutate, that's a fact. But they can't mutate when they're alive, they must be born with a deviation to be considered another specy. So two birds that were very similar to a chicken made love and created an egg that contained that bird with the devation that made him a chicken. If it was laid by a chicken then how was that chicken created? If going by that theory it must have been made by another chicken and so on. So implying the chicken came first would create a paradox.

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So I looked into it and it seems the chicken really did came first. But let's continue the debate just for sh*ts and giggles, I want to know more about it.
Debate Round No. 2
EtCaWhJa

Pro

You say that creatures can't mutate when they are alive, well that is true, but what I meant was either the parents were chickens because of the mutation that they spread to their offspring or the chicken came first only because the egg could not have been holding a chicken, it was holding a red jungle fowl with new characteristic, that after the the baby bird is becomes an adult bird and can be compared to its parents, it would have scientist compare it to its parents and get it's name changed to a new species.

My next argument is that God created the Chicken first.
"And God said, 'Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.' And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the ses, and let fowl multiply in the earth." Because scientists have not been able to prove god not real, this argument can be applied, some things that scientists can't prove that faith can are the palcebo effect, (look up), dark matter, speed of light, or houw the universe came. The placebo can be expressed by god being caring and blessing certain people. God would not have created the egg first because he would have to care for it by incubating it and fertilizing it like a mother chicken does.
beatmaster2012

Con

beatmaster2012 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
EtCaWhJa

Pro

EtCaWhJa forfeited this round.
beatmaster2012

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
EtCaWhJa

Pro

EtCaWhJa forfeited this round.
beatmaster2012

Con

beatmaster2012 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by EtCaWhJa 5 years ago
EtCaWhJa
I am still going to debate just forgot to come back and login in so when the timer ran out I was automatically forfeited, you can always try to find some points at least to debate against me with and make it seem more like a debate
Posted by EtCaWhJa 5 years ago
EtCaWhJa
this is because the baby's parents are homo erectus, thus determining what the baby is until it can be compared as an adult to its parents
Posted by EtCaWhJa 5 years ago
EtCaWhJa
Also if you used this for the debate of which came first in the situation of the human or the human baby, the human came first because the baby would have been called a homo erectus, not a homo sapien. Scientist decide the new species of what we call humans. The scientist could either call the parents homo sapiens because they gave birth to the human, making them considered humans and/or the baby is considered a homo erectus until it grows up to be considered and compared to its parents. The scientists would at first call them mutations until a significant difference between parents of homo erectus species and homo sapien species.Then scientist would call the adult a human because of the differences. The baby was considered a homo erectus until scientists change the name, making the human come first, even if it was a baby at one point. That baby woluld not have been considered a new species.
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