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DoctorOctogonapus
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The Contender
mongeese
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The constitution establishes Christianity as the offical religion of the USA

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/8/2012 Category: Religion
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (2)
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DoctorOctogonapus

Pro

First round is for acceptance.
mongeese

Con

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
DoctorOctogonapus

Pro

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
mongeese

Con

This debate concerns only the Constitution. However, my opponent instead quotes the Declaration of Independence, a completely separate document.

http://www.archives.gov...

Even if the debate focused on the Declaration, the closest it comes is referencing a Creator, which is present in not only Christianity but also many others, most notably Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Deism [1].

Thomas Jefferson, the author, was almost more of a Deist than a Christian [2], and even originated the phrase "separation of church and state."

Looking at the Constitution itself, we find no reference to Christianity or Christ at all, nor does it reference God or religion, except to assert in Article VI that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

http://www.archives.gov...

The First Amendment of the Bill of Rights, added to the Constitution, makes it explicitly clear that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," making it flat-out impossible for the United States of America to have any official religion at all.

http://www.archives.gov...

In conclusion, my opponent has no case, relying erroneously on the wrong document, and I have proven that the Constitution in no way establishes any official religion for the United States of America, let alone Christianity. The resolution is negated.

1. http://www.religionfacts.com...
2. http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 2
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by 123chess456 4 years ago
123chess456
Sounds legit
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Reasons for voting decision: This is one of the funniest debates on the site. Also, obvious vote is obvious.
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Reasons for voting decision: Landslide. Pro loses iimmediately because he made no real case. He cited the DoI, a separate document irrelavent to the scope of this debate.
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Reasons for voting decision: Wrong document used by Pro...