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Stupidape
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alatetire
Con (against)

The cure for cancer has already been found.

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Started: 8/13/2016 Category: Health
Updated: 11 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Stupidape

Pro

Structure
R1 Acceptance and definitions.
R2-3 debate and respond.
R4 No new arguments.


Definitions


Cancer "Cancer refers to any one of a large number of diseases characterized by the development of abnormal cells that divide uncontrollably and have the ability to infiltrate and destroy normal body tissue. " [0]

Cure "a. A drug or course of medical treatment used to restore health: discovered a new cure for ulcers.
b. Restoration of health; recovery from disease: the likelihood of cure." [1]

Sources
0. http://www.mayoclinic.org...
1. http://www.thefreedictionary.com...
alatetire

Con

Hi Stupidape,

I feel as if I'm insulting you by referring to you by your username. I'd like to accept the debate and explain why I am certain that a definite cure for all forms of cancer has not been found. We must remember that cancer is not just one disease, but instead a blanket term for a condition that is entirely unique to not only each individual person, but also unique to each individual cancer cell.

I look forward to our discussion and only ask that you provide sources for your arguments that are on the internet, so that I will have access to them. Of course, I will do the same.

Good luck!
Debate Round No. 1
Stupidape

Pro

Both scientific and anecdotal evidence concur that a cure for cancer exists. [0][1][2] A person can only come to the conclusion that a plant based diet can cause spontaneous remissions, a cure, for cancer.


Sources.
0. https://www.youtube.com...
1. https://www.youtube.com...
2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
alatetire

Con

Hi Stupidape,

If there are specific points from the videos and article you posted, that you would like to discuss, I would be happy to debate you on those arguments. Unfortunately with such a blanketed statement, it is difficult for me to respond to the details that you find most relevant to your argument.

Claiming a plant-based diet is a cure for caner is all too encompassing, with regards to the nature of cancer. Of course, diet has a major role in cancer development, especially in colorectal cancers. However, today the most prevalent malignancies we see are non-melanoma skin cancer (caused exclusively by UV radiation), lung cancer, and breast cancer (WCRF, 2015, t. 1). All three are primarily caused by specific carcinogenic exposure, which may or may not have to do with diet, depending on the individual cancer; but more likely with environmental and biological factors, such as UV radiation, cigarette smoke, and genetic predisposition.

Lung cancer takes more than 163,000 lives per year in the United States (ACS, 2014, p. 6). 80% of lung cancers are a direct result of smoking cigarettes (ACS, 2016). The remaining 20% is primarily due to second-hand exposure to cigarette smoke, and metastasis (secondary malignant growth, resulting from a primary cancer). According to Michael Greger , M.D, a plant based diet can be a powerful tool in cancer prevention, but prevention is not a cure (2016). Using such a diet as medicine is unquestionably beneficial; however, years of good habits must follow the initiation of such a diet as medicine, and many cancer patients just do not have that kind of time before the cancer will kill them.

Instances of estrogen fed cancers, including breast, ovarian, uterine, and vaginal cancers; can actually be exacerbated by eating a diet rich in animal products. However, there is no evidence, which suggests that it is the only factor that contributes to cancer development. Those with vulnerabilities in their genetics due to easily manipulated oncogenes (genes responsible for inhibiting cell growth), can be damaged by many carcinogens unrelated to diet; including UV radiation and hormone therapy (WedMD, 2016).

Epigenetic (proteins which unwrap genetic information to be translated) changes can also contribute to many forms of cancer development, which do correlate with diet related studies. So clearly, diet does play a huge role in cancer development. And, as a plant-based vegan myself, I absolutely stand behind the health and environmental benefits of a plant based diet. However, a plant-based diet cannot be considered a definitive cure; we don"t have the evidence to support such a claim, and the effects would take much too long for patients whose lives are in immediate danger.

References

American Cancer Society (ACS). (2016). What causes non-small cell lung cancer? Cancer.org. Retrieved from http://www.cancer.org...

American Cancer Society (ACS). (2014). Cancer facts & figures. Cancer.org. Retrieved from http://www.cancer.org...

Greger, M. (2016). Lung cancer. Nutritionfacts.org. Retrieved from http://nutritionfacts.org...

WebMD. (2016). What causes breast cancer? WebMD. Retrieved from http://www.webmd.com...

World Cancer Reference Fund. (2015). Cancer facts & figures: worldwide data. WCRF. Retrieved from http://www.wcrf.org...
Debate Round No. 2
Stupidape

Pro

"However, a plant-based diet cannot be considered a definitive cure; we don"t have the evidence to support such a claim, and the effects would take much too long for patients whose lives are in immediate danger. " alatetire


If somebody is beyond a certain point nothing beyond an act of God will save them. Many diseases that have cures, cannot be cured beyond a certain point. A good example is infections and Lyme disease. A cure is possible at first, but then when the disease progresses beyond a certain point, the cure in ineffective.

Cancer is also an advanced disease that occurs due to the build up of mutations. Meaning not just one mutation caused the condition of cancer. Therefore, it is unreasonable to expect a short term cure, when the damage took years to accumulate.


"Patients treated with appropriate antibiotics in the early stages of Lyme disease usually recover rapidly and completely. " [2]


As you can see sometimes it is too late for a cure, despite cure effectiveness at treating the disease in the early stages. In late stages the disease can be cured, but sometimes it is too little too late. Think of a large bandage or medical wrapping as a cure for bleeding. If the person dies before you can finish wrapping the bandage, is the cure ineffective? Would you simply give up on stanching bleeding on everyone? No!

Just because the patient decides to finally seek treatment and thus a cure when its too late, does not mean it is the cure's fault. People want a magical pill, that can cure several mutations that lead to cure in billions of cells within 24 hours. That is inherently flawed, and will never happened. Yet, the cancer industry keeps promising this magic and impossible drug. Therefore, people put their faith in the wrong place.

Btw, we do have enough ancetodal and testimonial evidence.

Thanks for debating.

Sources
2. http://www.cdc.gov...
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Posted by Stupidape 11 months ago
Stupidape
Exhausted from arguing with climate change deniers. Hope I can make a respond in time.
Posted by Stupidape 11 months ago
Stupidape
https://www.youtube.com...

Affirmative.
Posted by TheOneAndOnlySinner 11 months ago
TheOneAndOnlySinner
I am interested in what you believe the cure is though. Is it perhaps a plant-based diet?
Posted by TheOneAndOnlySinner 11 months ago
TheOneAndOnlySinner
You are correct, but you are also wrong. There are multiple ways to cure cancer.
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