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Zoneling
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The cure for cancer has been found already and buried by greed.

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Started: 7/25/2016 Category: Health
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Stupidape

Pro

Outline
I. Intro
II. The Cancer Industry
III. The science and why it works
IV. Conclusion
V. Sources

I. Intro

The cure for cancer was discovered by Mr. Gerson. [1][2]

Yet, why hasn't this reached the general public? Why is not this on the front page of every newspaper? The simple answer is greed. As seen in this film Healing Cancer from Inside Out. [3] Watch a preview here. [4]

Who would do such a monstrous deed? Why choose greed over human life? The only answer I can come up with is somebody who believes this creed. "It is better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven." [5]

To anyone who doubts me, what would you do if you truly believed the cure for cancer was found and then buried? Would you be silent and keep the cure all to yourself? Or would you attempt to bring attention to this vile deed?

II. The Cancer Industry

Already we are spending 100 billion in cancer annually in 2014. [6] This is big money and when there is big money there is corruption. The tales both recent and past of how greed and money can destroy people is legendary.


III. The science and why it works

You probably have your doubts. Yet, there is much science behind this. The World Health Organization declared processed meat as a carcinogen. [7] Let alone other detrimental affects of animal products like increased IGF-1 levels, heterocyclic amines [8], fat build up via intramyocellular lipids, saturated fat increasing blood viscosity, and endotoxins from bacteria within animal products causing an immune system response.

With the many health benefits of fiber, phytonutrients, proper hydration, and antioxidants its no wonder this diet works.


IV. Conclusion

The cure for cancer has been found and buried by greed. Think of your loved ones. At the very least take the time to prove me wrong. Thanks for reading and thanks for your time.


V. Sources
1. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com...
2. http://gerson.org...
3. http://www.ravediet.com...
4. https://www.youtube.com...
5. http://www.bibliomania.com...
6. http://www.usnews.com...
7. http://www.bbc.com...
8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Zoneling

Con

Table of Contents:
1. Introduction
2. What is this miracle treatment really?
3. Can it truly cure cancer?
4. Am I a brainwashed capitalist lapdog?
5. Conclusion


Introduction

There are a lot of reasons why everything in your post is just wrong, in this post I will obviously specify why.


What is this miracle treatment really?

To quote cancer.gov: "The key parts of the Gerson therapy are a strict diet, dietary supplements, and enemas."

Now the method argues that this is to release toxins from the body in order to strengthen the immune system to better be able to fight the tumour(s). The treatment has no scientific backup, the diet causes its own problems, such as electrolyte imbalances, but the real problem is the so called cleansings (emenas), which are sometimes perfomed with coffee, castor oil, etc.. Theese regualar emenas can cause severe damage to your colons function, leading to constipation and other ailments. The enemas can also lead to dehydration, infections and bleeding.

The method also has almost no evidence to back it up, basing it's surreal claims on nothing but anecdotes and semi-science. All attempts to independently test the method have failed to produce any evidence.

The Gerson Therapy has also re-designed itself a couple of times. It used to include the intake of raw calf's liver orally, but this was discontinued after 10 people were hospilatalized, 5 from comatose.


Can it truly cure cancer?

Of course not. In fact it would appear to be quite dangerous. While some of the things it encourages are good for preventative measure, the therapy method itself takes it way too far.

You can lower your risk of cancer with a prober lifestyle, and yes, there is evidence to proove that red meats increase the risk, but pretty much everything increases your risk of cancer. The truth is that cancer is completly random and can happen to literally anyone at any time. It just so happens that if you are living an unhealthy lifestyle or if you are old, the odds increase as your immune system weakens.

So no, of course it cannot.


Am I a brainwashed capitalist lapdog?

As a person living in a country with non-existent corruption and a nationalized healthcare system, the notion that his has been "supressed" despite the knowledge basically being public, is utter rubbish. I can guarantee you that if our state could save just one measly coin on cancer treatment, they would.

Plenty of medical systems outside the US have no deals with private institutions and are public, with only the public in mind. So why are they not using this cheap miracle method? Because it's snake oil.


Conclusion

The Gelson Method is an almost 100 year old snake oil method that encourages you to spray coffee up your rectum, don't fall for it.


Sources:

http://www.cancer.gov...
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org...
Debate Round No. 1
Stupidape

Pro

Rebuttal

I will go through my opponent's r1 argument and point out as many flaws as I can. First I want to thank my opponent for responding to this debate and taking the time to seriously debate me.

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There are a lot of reasons why everything in your post is just wrong, in this post I will obviously specify why." Zoneling

Not an argument, not enough proof to back up everything is wrong. Later you contradict yourself by stating

"there is evidence to proove that red meats increase the risk" Zoneling


Backing up one of my statements instead of disproving. Therefore, we can both agree red meat increases risk.


"What is this miracle treatment really?

To quote cancer.gov: "The key parts of the Gerson therapy are a strict diet, dietary supplements, and enemas."

Now the method argues that this is to release toxins from the body in order to strengthen the immune system to better be able to fight the tumour(s). The treatment has no scientific backup, the diet causes its own problems, such as electrolyte imbalances, but the real problem is the so called cleansings (emenas), which are sometimes perfomed with coffee, castor oil, etc.. Theese regualar emenas can cause severe damage to your colons function, leading to constipation and other ailments. The enemas can also lead to dehydration, infections and bleeding.

The method also has almost no evidence to back it up, basing it's surreal claims on nothing but anecdotes and semi-science. All attempts to independently test the method have failed to produce any evidence.

The Gerson Therapy has also re-designed itself a couple of times. It used to include the intake of raw calf's liver orally, but this was discontinued after 10 people were hospilatalized, 5 from comatose." Zoneling


The Gerson Therapy was just the prototype. Just as the first ax [9] wasn't as effective as modern day chain saw the same is true with Gerson's Therapy. The same is also true with many modern medical advances. Chemotherapy is better today than the first chemotherapy. [10]

If you compared the first generation of chemotherapy techniques to today's, I'm pretty sure the first would be outlawed. Watch the new and improved method [3][4] for more accurate results. Yes, we could compare the first generation chemotherapy to the first generation Gerson's Miracle, but that's just silly when both have evolved and improved. You might as well judge all of modern medicine by the practice of blood letting.

Note, a whole food plant based diet also works on other chronic diseases. This is an official trailer for Forks over Knives. [11] This treatment is the improved version of Gerson's Miracle that is safer and cheaper. No expensive enemas, just food in the grocery store.

"Can it truly cure cancer?

Of course not. In fact it would appear to be quite dangerous. While some of the things it encourages are good for preventative measure, the therapy method itself takes it way too far." Zoneling

I agree that the therapy takes it too far. The problem is your attacking the prototype. The newer method is safer, cheaper, more reasonable, and has much more science backing it up including scholarly peer reviewed articles to back it up. This is like attacking Christians for things done in the Old Testament.

"You can lower your risk of cancer with a prober lifestyle, and yes, there is evidence to proove that red meats increase the risk, but pretty much everything increases your risk of cancer. The truth is that cancer is completly random and can happen to literally anyone at any time. It just so happens that if you are living an unhealthy lifestyle or if you are old, the odds increase as your immune system weakens.

So no, of course it cannot. " Zoneling

I'm seeing a lot of unsubstantiated claims. Cancer is not completely random. People exposed to certain environmental hazards are much more likely to receive cancer. The best example is radioactive materials. Cancer is caused by free radicals damaging DNA. Antioxidants act as a shield against these free radicals. Antioxidants are mainly found in plants.

"Am I a brainwashed capitalist lapdog?

As a person living in a country with non-existent corruption and a nationalized healthcare system, the notion that his has been "supressed" despite the knowledge basically being public, is utter rubbish. I can guarantee you that if our state could save just one measly coin on cancer treatment, they would.

Plenty of medical systems outside the US have no deals with private institutions and are public, with only the public in mind. So why are they not using this cheap miracle method? Because it's snake oil." Zoneling

Sadly, you seem to underestimate greed. I advise reading history books about cattle barons and monopolies to show the power of greed. Big industry has lobbyist influencing government.

"Conclusion

The Gelson Method is an almost 100 year old snake oil method that encourages you to spray coffee up your rectum, don't fall for it." Zoneling

The Gerson Method is an obsolete prototype that can cure cancer, yet there is new and improved methods. There is plenty of science to back up the new method, a whole plant based diet, nevertheless just as global climate change is well known, people still drive gasoline powered cars. People still smoke. Political change often lacks behind scientific knowledge.

Dr. Michael Greger [12] has some informative videos with scholarly peer reviewed articles to understand why a plant based diet is so important. Dr. Neal Barnard has a great documentary on how to survive cancer. [13]

Thank you for your time and energy reading.

Sources
9. http://www.history.com...
10. http://www.cancer.org...
11. https://www.youtube.com...
12. http://nutritionfacts.org...
13. http://www.pcrm.org...

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Posted by vi_spex 6 months ago
vi_spex
cure=feel reverse returning
nature=flow at reverse returning
Posted by Stupidape 6 months ago
Stupidape
"Steve Jobs is rich, Steve Jobs died of Cancer. Debate Over." Var

Money won't save you from everything. The rich prey upon each other all the time.

""But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort." Luke 6:24

http://biblehub.com...
Posted by VarEvidenceEqualsTrue 7 months ago
VarEvidenceEqualsTrue
Steve Jobs is rich, Steve Jobs died of Cancer. Debate Over.
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