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Harrysingh
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charlie97
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The dangerous world we live in( autonomy used by some countries for right to intervention of army)

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Started: 7/21/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
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Harrysingh

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The shooting down of MH17 and the loss of 298 innocent lives is a criminal act of terror which needs to be condemned in the strongest possible terms. Condemnation is both necessary and overdue by everyone. This does not have to wait till a final determination is made on culpability. It is entirely irrelevant whether the system that launched the surface to air missile was acquired by from manufacturers directly or stolen from Ukrainian armory. Equally, those responsible for this heinous crime must feel the collective weight of the international community whose collective conscience should be stirred, if not already shaken, at underlying trends which have facilitated this act of criminality.
The "silence" since Russia took action in Crimea several months ago is inexplicable.The intervention, interference have led to a total chaos in this peace loving world
charlie97

Pro

The international community is a unilateral entity in the sense that, though neighbors are codependent for international cooperation on instances of coinciding, mutual interests, there exists a universal condition to this codependency generally labeled State Sovereignty. Though the perspective you espouse is assuredly benevolent, it's equally irresponsible. Indeed, a mutual sense of justice must be in place to ensure the functionality of such bodies as the UN, but it's that baseless reasoning that often complicates otherwise simple diplomatic issues.

In simplest terms; at this point, prosecution is not legally feasible. By law of the International Criminal Court, and etiquette of any similar judicial or tribunal body, there must exist both a substantive suspicion of fault or blame and concrete evidence of effectual gravity. Given the complex circumstances currently surrounding the Ukraine, it's become a challenge to collect evidence, thereby jeopardizing any prospect of international prosecution. In part, what blocks any kind of meaningful investigation is the aforementioned condition to foreign affairs: State Sovereignty.

In further iteration, State Sovereignty is a fundamental, universally accepted right. It, in essence, says that no country can intervene in another's affairs if the intervention implicitly or explicitly violates another Sovereign's ability to reign over his/her's/it's country. Any real investigation of the MH17 incident would require thorough investigation of Russian military infrastructure and investigation of Ukrainian military infrastructure. Either country consenting to investigation is unlikely; fighting from rebels themselves has also endangered valuable assets in any meaningful investigation.

Ultimately, pushing for premature prosecution, though perhaps intended in the most righteous of ways, could be catastrophic and will inevitably lead to international confrontation. Things can, and will, get ugly.
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