The Instigator
gonovice
Con (against)
Winning
28 Points
The Contender
Nahna
Pro (for)
Losing
21 Points

The drop out age is to young.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/22/2007 Category: Education
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 1,922 times Debate No: 93
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gonovice

Con

I have many friends who are sixteen and are going to drop out. Now I live in Michigan so the drop out age is probaly different for whoever debates this. I hate when teachers yell at those friends because they don't want to be in school anymore. I think that if you dont want to be in school you shouldnt be forced. They say that kids HAVE to go to school because they need to be able to go to college and get a career going. But think about it if they dont want to be in school they arent going to try. If they are forced to be there of course their going to go, if their parents make them. But they arent going to work hard. And if their grades arent good what college is going to execpt them? Personally I am going to finish high school but I actually want to have a good life once I am out living on my own. I know the drop out rate in America is high and of course that doesnt make us look good. But we shouldnt be focusing on looking good we should be trying to get the people who want an education a really good one.
Nahna

Pro

Ok to begin, your topic is that the drop out age is too young then you contradict your own opinion by saying that it is better to drop out then to stay in school and get bad grades. My question to you is what age if not 16 do you believe that children should be able to drop out. My little brother dropped out of school when he was 16 now he has a very weak high school education and can barely find a job. Whether or not you get bad grades if you are not in school then there is no way for you to get a tudor or any type of help to get through so there will be a possibility for success. I believe that the drop out age is to young. I believe that you should not be aloud to drop out at all for the simple fact that when a child is told that they don't have to go to school once they turn 16 then they are going to look forward to their 16th birthday like a graduation. Kids should have to be forced to be in school. There are different types of schools. If your child cannot function in a regular public school then there are the options of the alternative schools that offer special help for the kids that need more specific attention.
Debate Round No. 1
gonovice

Con

okay, first of all I think that the drop out age is perfect. And I'm not contradicting myself. I think that if you don't want to be in school then you're wasting everyone elses time. some ppl drop out and decide to get their GED. so for you to say that your brother made a mistake, there are still ways to fix his mistake. I don't understand you're thinking. 16 is a very young age yes, but dont kids already look forward to their 16th birthday. they get their lisence. I'm looking forward to my 16th b-day for that reason.

what i'm getting at is just that if a kid doesnt want to be there they sure as heck aren't going to work hard. so what's the point of them being there if they arent going to work hard. seriously if they are FORCED to go they are going to go and either get into fights because they're mad or they arent going to work hard.

you havnt really givin a reason why it's too young, just that YOU think that it's bad.
Nahna

Pro

Nahna forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
gonovice

Con

how am i supposed to give an argument if she forfeited? I dont really understand it but oh well.

i just think that the drop out age is perfect maybe it should even go a little bit younger.
Nahna

Pro

Nahna forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
gonovice

Con

i'm confused if she forfeited why is she still in the argument if shes forfeited too. well i guess you'll all end up voting for her anyway sense you're all against me on this site. jk
Nahna

Pro

Nahna forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by gonovice 9 years ago
gonovice
all that I got of that was technical knockout. i still don't get it sorry
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
technical knockout. Usually used to denote a win by standard rules rather than holistic experience.
Posted by gonovice 9 years ago
gonovice
what is TKO?

and yea guys I know it isn't worded really well. I usually do these in a hurry because of school and I'm a am-pro dancer so I have rehearsal alot so I have to hurry. sorry if it makes it hard to read but it's the only way I can do it.
Posted by DWReeves 9 years ago
DWReeves
gonovice's arguments were initially very good despite not being worded well. However, I believe she failed to do a decent job refuting Nahna's reply despite the fact that she could have iterated points from his thesis. For example, in her thesis she points out that kids who are likely to drop out are also likely to not work hard in school in the first place. This would have been a good counterpoint to Nahna's anecdote concerning her brother.

Nahna, as gonovice somewhat said, really presented more of an opinion and less of a rebuttal. Coupled with a lack of any sort of response to that, it seems as if gonovice won.
Posted by PreacherFred 9 years ago
PreacherFred
While Nahma started out well, she defaulted. Vote ges to gonovice as a TKO.
Posted by gonovice 9 years ago
gonovice
I don't see how any of you can truly vote for her just because she only submitted one argument how is that fair for me.

Nahna, i would love to debate you on this topic again if you'll actually finish the debate though.
Posted by gonovice 9 years ago
gonovice
I agree with you Ragner. I think that there is no need for a kid to be forced to be in school.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
There shouldn't be a dropout age because the government has no right to force someone into a school.
Posted by audraxheartsxyou 9 years ago
audraxheartsxyou
In my opinion, they're shouldn't even be a drop out age because shouldn't be able to "drop out".
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
XD I think that the confusion over contradiction is because on this site, you need to look not only at the statement but whether the instigator is "pro" or "con."
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