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The existence of a God-Like Entity

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Started: 8/24/2016 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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My debate is as follows: Though I personally believe that a God associated with a variety of (in my opinion) ridiculous religious beliefs does not exist, I still argue that a God-Like entity exists. Furthermore, if you choose to join, please note the definition of "God-like entity" used in the argument: "An entity capable of creating anything, including itself from nothing".

This argument is debating the existence of such an entity. This entity does not necessarily have consciousness or human-like characteristics.


I'm just going to re-post my previous argument from another debate.

Hi, I'm a Muslim and I'm convinced that Islam is most certainly the true religion of God. Let me start of with the name Qur'an, Qur'an comes from the word Qa'ra'aa. Qa'ra'aa means to recite, but how it's formed with that 'aan at the end, what it really means is "that which is recited excessively". We're living in the age of mass media, some artist comes out with a song and a million mp3s are downloaded and what we are saying and arguing is that one of the things that makes Qur'an miraculous is that it is the most recited. You have this song that is on top of the charts. How long does is stay on top of the charts? Six months and millions of people are humming it and singing it, whatever. Just one phrase in the Qur'an "Bismilah ar-Rahman ar-Raheem" is recited countless times a day by millions and millions of Muslims every single day for the last 1,400 years. It's the most recited word and it is even read more than the Bible statistically and the Muslims are not the majority population.
The Qu'ran we have today is the same word for word book. This book has been preserved, there is not a book like that. You throw all the Hindu texts, all the Torahs, all the Bibles and all the Qur'ans in a vault and no-one has access to these books. I tell you that as long as you have 2 people in the US or maybe in a small town in Kentucky somewhere that have memorised the Qur'an, you'll recover the whole book in 1 to 2 days. How easy is that to do for other books? It's incredible that even if you get rid of the physical books, it is still around. This book is such that when the pagan Arabs heard it was enough for them to embrace Islam because they knew that no man could have come up with words of such beauty, power and uniqueness. The Qur'an challenges mankind that if you believe that this book came from anyone else than Allah bring one chapter like it and they could never do it. In Surah Al-Baqarah there is a verse that says "This is how we made you a middle-nation", Al-Baqarah is made up of 286 verses and this verse occurs in verse 143. Remember, the Qur'an is recited and not documented because that came later on and yet look at the linguistic language of the Qur'an. The Qur'an says about Muhammad SAW "We have elevated your status" and if you'd know the Athan you would know that we send a praise upon Muhammad SAW. There's not a minute that goes by in the world that there's not an Athan going on somewhere. Whose name is being elevated in that call? Muhammad's SAW name is mentioned every time we bear witness that Muhammad SAW is the final messenger of God. It has been confirmed by multiple embryologists that the embryology in the Qur'an could not have been know in the 7th century, professor Keith Leon Moore even said that the only reasonable conclusion was that the descriptions of embryology were revealed by God. Keith Moore the embryologist is not even a Muslim and he still admits it. Here's a video of him explaining the stages.
Here is one of the verses about embryology.
We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... (Quran, 23:12-14)
As we know, embryologists are confirming that what the Qur'an states is correct and if you're going to try to refute this with some dodgy Christian apologist website you're going to have a bad time.

Again we can find doctor Allison Ralph Palmer speak about the geological and cosmological statements in the Qur'an.
The Qur'an describes how the mountains have roots, which has only been discovered recently. The continental mountains have roots and they help to stabilise the earth's surface. This is mentioned in the Qur'an. The Qur'an mentions that the moon has a reflected light in Surah Furqan 25:61. The Qur'an mentions that the earth is spherical in surah an-nazi'at verse 30. The Qur'an mentions that the universe is expanding in Adh-dhariyat verse 47. The Qur'an mentions how people have unique fingertips in Al-Qiyamah in verse 4. The Qur'an speaks about the water cycle in several verses, in Surah az-Zumar verses 21, in Surah ar-Rum verse 24, in Al-Hijr verse 22, in surah Al-Mu'minun verse 18, in an-Nur verse 43, in surah ar-Rum verse 48, in surah Ahraf verse 17, in surah Furqan verse 48-49, in Surah Fathir verse 9, in surah Yaseen verse 34, in surah Mulk verse 30, in surah Thariq verse 11. There are so many verses that speak about the water cycle alone. The Qur'an describes the creation of the universe, how it was rend asunder from this Dukhaan, from the smoke and we know that the edges of universe are still echoing and expanding, as it is mentioned in ad-Dhariyaat. There are many more scientific statements in the Qur'an.

The prophet Muhammad SAW said that at the end of time you would see the buildings of Mecca reach the mountain tops, a few dozen years ago the buildings weren't even close to the mountain tops and now they're even higher than the tops of the mountains. He said that the dishes will be communicating continuously and he used the very word that is used for satellite communication (mwa-salaat) and people would sever their family ties. He said that musical instruments would be widespread and he even said that they would be on their heads. You would see people mocking and making fun, now look at the internet where everyone is just mocking each other. He said that you will see many children born out of wedlock, in the US now around 60%. He said that the end of time won't come until people would dance late into the night, this is what we find around the world in nightclubs and discos. He said that you would see barefooted Arab bedouins who would compete with one another in the construction of tall buildings. I invite you to look at Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Dubai, etc.
Muhammad SAW said that sexual promiscuity would be on the increase and that diseases would appear no-one has ever heard of. He said that religious knowledge would decrease and that speakers would be many, but the scholars would be few. Isn't this the case today? He said that women would be naked, even though they are dressed. The dress of some women today, where the clothes are so tight that they describe every shape of the body. This technology did not exist at the time of the Prophet SAW might I add. He said that the use of interest would be so common so much so that no-one would escape the dust of it, everyone would be affected by it. I think this is describing the world economy today. He said that rain would become burning or acidic, there would be acid rain. Towards the end of time you would see mountains with holes pierced through them. He said that a man would rather listen to his wife than listen to his mother, this is what we find today and he said that a man would rather listen to his friends than listen to his father, something contrary to the teachings of Islam. There are so many prophecies that have come true, I think that 50,000 characters would not be enough.
Hamza Yusuf speeches:

Imam Bayhaqi wrote a multivolume on why Muhammad SAW was a prophet of God and if you can proof that he's a prophet, ipso facto there must be a God. This argument that there is no God is not a new argument and our scholars have dealt with this argument extensively in a tradition called Rad-Al-Shubuhat, which is refutation of the obfuscations that are brought out by the atheists. We should know Allah SWT first through the intellect and our intellect is a spiritual concept, it's not of this world. The intellect is immaterial and this is why we don't know where we go when we dream, but we know that we leave this place and we enter into another realm. Numbers don't exist in the world. Where did the number 2 come from? Well there is 1 plus 2 which equals 3. They are not in the world, the mind put them together. Where did that come from? This is why Einstein said that the only thing that is incomprehensible in the world is its comprehensibility. So the statement that the only things that exist in the world are the things that are material is a false statement.

If that is not enough, we can find prophet Muhammad SAW being spoken of throughout the Bible. At one point his name is being mentioned specifically and Medina is pointed at specifically at the mountain called Sela. He is mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls, in the book of Isaiah chapter 42, in Deuteronomy 18:18 and John 14:16 even says that another prophet of God would come.

In the beginning of the chapter the Roman; chapter 30, Allah SWT revealed it to prophet Muhammad SAW and he said to the Muslims that there were "win and lose" battles between the Romans and the Persians being the major powers. He said that the Romans will be defeated in the lowest point of earth and then within ten years they would be victorious again. Not only did the same thing happen, that the Persians defeated the Romans first and then the Romans had a major defeat over them, but then with the advent of satellite, satellites told us that the battle actually took place on the lowest point on earth. The lowest point on the face of the earth. It's exactly 418 meters below the sea surface and the location is there in palestine today. Another interesting thing is that when the Qur'an says "We sent iron down". Scientists are saying that iron came from outer space and are not originally from earth. Allah SWT says "We created" for almost everything and yet look at this precision of the holy Qur'an. All of this is proof that the Qur'an is not the work of a man, but rather is the work of the creator who knows all about us.
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Posted by CuriousFear 1 year ago
Oh, yeah. I completely missed the PRO and CON positions.
Posted by ClassyCoder 1 year ago
Yeah sorry, I completely forgot about this, so I guess I lost, but umm. It seems like my opponent argued against his own point. Your position in the argument was to argue against the existence of such an entity. I was hoping to debate an atheist. So I guess I lose, but...
Posted by canis 1 year ago
Maybe that is just what he did..
Posted by Furyan5 1 year ago
That comment only proves your ignorance. Not only of Islam but also of many other religions. Please educate yourself before attempting to sound intelligent.
Posted by Iamsmarter 1 year ago
Of all the religions, which are all indeed at least somewhat stupid in their own ways, Islam is surely, and most evidently, by incredibly far, the stupidest.
Posted by canis 1 year ago
"God-like- entity"..? It is your own creation of a question..So you got what you asked fore. And the only answers are creations of answers...Do purple elephants exist...+
Posted by malalo75 1 year ago
"You can go through the translations, but if you read the Arabic version you'll see that it is in there. The words of the Qur'an can't be translated, but the meaning can."

This is one of the most stupid argument from religion (all of them).
So basically what CuriousFear is saying is that if you don't speak or read Arabic, then you can't understand the "word of god".
If god existed, it would really be so stupid as to have its "word" written and understandable in only one language? Isn't it supposed to be omniscient? Didn't it know that humans developed multiple languages over time?

Posted by canis 1 year ago
Yep interpretations and imaginations....
Posted by CuriousFear 1 year ago
When the translation for example say nearest or nearer land, what is meant is the lowest.
Posted by CuriousFear 1 year ago
You can go through the translations, but if you read the Arabic version you'll see that it is in there. The words of the Qur'an can't be translated, but the meaning can.
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