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The existence of suffering and evil means that the God of Classical Theism does not exist

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Started: 6/6/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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iheartfandoms

Con

Round 1: Acceptance
Round 2: Opening Arguments
Round 3: Rebuttals
Round 4: Rebuttals/ Closing Arguments
Surrealism

Pro

I accept. I will arguing that the existence of suffering and evil means that the God of Classical Theism does not exist.
Debate Round No. 1
iheartfandoms

Con

My prominent argument is that evil and suffering has a purpose which thus enhances the qualities that the God of Classical Theism is supposed to have.
Qualities of the God of Classical Theism: Transcendent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipresent [1]

1. Evil exists. God created evil and suffering. He did this to allow for "second-order goods". These are qualities like heroism, and compassion. These qualities make us better people as humans. They can not exist without evil and suffering. Consequently evil and suffering has a purpose. [2]

2. Evil is a result of our free will. God gave us free will because if He didn't give us free will then us as humans will be restrained and thus not content with life. God gave us free will meaning God is omnibenevolent. [3]

3. God uses evil and suffering to test us. Only people worthy of heaven should be able to go to heaven, God can not allow everyone in. Evil and suffering has a purpose as God uses them to acknowledge who deserves to go to heaven.

Conclusion: God created suffering and evil for a purpose. This purpose benefits us meaning that God is omnibenevolent. The fact that God is able to create evil and suffering means that God is omnipotent and omnipresent. God knows the effects of evil and suffering meaning that He is omniscient. Thus there is a possibility that the God of Classical Theism does exist which disproves the statement: The existence of suffering and evil means that the God of Classical Theism does not exist.

[1] http://news.bbc.co.uk...

[2] http://edition.cnn.com... - proves that heroism exists which is a result of suffering

[3] "It is possible that God, even being omnipotent, could not create a world with free creatures who never choose evil. Furthermore, it is possible that God, even being omnibenevolent, would desire to create a world which contains evil if moral goodness requires free moral creatures." - Philosopher Plantinga -

http://en.wikipedia.org...'s_free_will_defense
Surrealism

Pro

As per the rules, I will wait until next round to post my rebuttals.

Premise One: When deciding an action, morality is the deciding factor.
Premise Two: If God existed, and was omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, then his actions would be decided by morality.
Premise Three: Morality includes the removal of unhappiness.
Premise Four: If an entity wants to do something, can do something, and knows about the something, the entity must do it.
Premise Five: God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.
Premise Six: Unhappiness exists.
Assumption One: God exists.
Conclusion One: God exists and is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent.
Conclusion Two: God's actions are decided by morality.
Conclusion Three: God wants to, can, and knows about unhappiness.
Conclusion Four: God must remove unhappiness.
Conclusion Five: Unhappiness exists.
Conclusion Six: Contradiction reached. Assumption falsified. God does not exist.
Debate Round No. 2
iheartfandoms

Con

iheartfandoms forfeited this round.
Surrealism

Pro

Surrealism forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
iheartfandoms

Con

iheartfandoms forfeited this round.
Surrealism

Pro

Surrealism forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by Gabe1e 2 years ago
Gabe1e
I am a theist. This is a pretty hard debate. I might accept.
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