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funnycn
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xjustbeyoux
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The first pregnant man was not a man, thus he is not the first pregnant man

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funnycn
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/14/2014 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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funnycn

Pro

I hold the position that the first pregnant "man" was NOT a man at birth, thus he/she should NOT be considered the first pregnant man.

Con, or you, hold the position that he is technically a man, thus should be considered the first pregnant man.


Rules.

First round is acceptance. Break this rule and you forfeit all points to pro.

The first pregnant man is Thomas Beatie. Claims otherwise make that part of your argument false.

BoP is shared.

The bible is a limited source. If you use the bible, use another source to back it up. If you break this rule, your claim in the argument is false.

Forfeit any round, and you forfeit all points to pro.

I accept this challenge, and will debate anyone.
xjustbeyoux

Con

Alright. I accept this debate to hold the position that the first pregnant man truly is the first, even though he had female sex organs at birth. Good luck!
Debate Round No. 1
funnycn

Pro

==Argument==
i. Thomas has female reproductive organs and his/she sex is female, thus he/she is not a man.

The definition of "sex" is

"Sex refers to biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs."
[http://www.med.monash.edu.au...]

Thomas beatie, born a female, has female chromosomes, and obviously internal sex organs, otherwise, she/he could not give birth to a child. Therefore, her/his sex is female, making him/her female, and just any other woman to give birth to a child.

ii. Thomas has a gender change, not an actual sex change, thus he/she is still female.

The definition of transgender is

"Transgender is the state of one's gender identity or gender expression not matching one's assigned sex."
[http://en.wikipedia.org...]

Note the key word sex, which was earlier defined as "biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs"

Since his/her gender changed, not his/her sex, she/he is still female in sex, but male in gender. Note, gender and sex are different. Saying he/she is of male gender, does not mean he/she is actually male by biological definition.

Since Thomas is still biological female, his/her sex had not changed, thus he/she is not the first pregnant man. He/she is like any other woman that gave birth.

==Conclusion==
Since Thomas is still female by definition of sex, he/she had given birth as a woman. Thus, he/she is not the first pregnant man.

Definition of sex

"Sex refers to biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs."
[http://www.med.monash.edu.au...]

Definition of transgender
"Transgender is the state of one's gender identity or gender expression not matching one's assigned sex."
[http://en.wikipedia.org...]

Since transgenders are free of sex, Thomas is still biological female.
xjustbeyoux

Con

xjustbeyoux forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
funnycn

Pro

"Forfeit any round, and you forfeit all points to pro."

I win. Vote pro.
xjustbeyoux

Con

xjustbeyoux forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
xjustbeyoux

Con

xjustbeyoux forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by funnycn 2 years ago
funnycn
He did not get a sex change.
Posted by xjustbeyoux 2 years ago
xjustbeyoux
In my opinion, he is still the first pregnant man whether he was born a man or not. He must have felt that he was supposed to be a man if he had a sex-change, so why should we view him as otherwise?
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Vote Placed by lannan13 2 years ago
lannan13
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