The god of the bible does not exist in reality.
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Primarily because the term "god" by itself is ambiguous and does not have a definition that everyone shares and agrees upon. But if you refer to a source that could provide a central definition for such entity, then it helps clarify such question more clearly. A good example that could be used as a common source to identify a particular god and it's unique properties would be the bible:
"Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land." - Deuteronomy 6:14
The author of the bible has written implications in that the god-of-the-bible exhibits jealousy upon his creations worshiping other gods. As a result of having such emotion to such conditions, his reaction is expressed in anger which shall prompt immediate extermination against your life in this world.
As we all know, this would be far too immature and childish for an all-knowing and all-powerful god to resort to such extreme measures against his own creations. It would be liken to you building a robot-worshiper without clear instructions on whom to worship, which upon completion, decides to worship your neighbor across the street who also enjoys building robots. And due to such unexpected result, you react violently in anger until the robot-worshiper you have created is crushed down to pieces of broken plastic and electronic components.
Thus, reflecting the indicative characteristics of a god fabricated in writing by the authors of the bible on the basis of their own personal opinions and imaginations....and not from an all-knowing and all-powerful god.
With that said, a god fabricated in writing derived from the creativity and imaginations of the human mind does not qualify as a god that exists in reality.
So does the god-of-the-bible exist in reality? The answer should now be clear to everyone...which is No.
"The formless, omnipotent, and flawless entity who created the universe as well was reality.
"The Books of the Torah, Nevi'im, and Ketuvim."
I will let my opponent define reality.
Bible includes the Old and New Testament including the books of Torah.
Definition of Reality: In Fact.
Not sufficient definition.
Look, unless we can provide a way to objectively define reality, we cannot know if G-d exists in reality.
For example; you accept what you are perceiving right now as fact since you perceive it- but how do you know that what you are perceiving is real? It is an assumption, just like everything else.
So what defines "real?" That we perceive it? If so then G-d is very real since theists perceive him to exist, therefore how can you say this claim is any less valid than any other claim? Literary everything you believe you believe because you perceived it- so how is my claim of G-d existing on account of my perceiving him to exist any less valid than any claim that you believe because you perceive it?
The logic is the same; I perceive it therefore I blindly accept it as fact- so what's the difference? How is G-d any less real than you or me?
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and"create evil: I the"LORD"do all these things." - Isaiah 45:7.
If you believe that the god-of-the-bible is not the creator of all Evil and Disasters, then you disagree with the opinions and imaginations of the authors of the bible. And by doing so, you would agree that the god-of-the-bible does not exist in reality.
To understand reality, simply replace "reality" with "fact". And when working with facts, you shall require evidence to prove your statement is a fact.
So simply perceiving something is not enough to qualify as a fact. You need evidence to support your claim.
If I perceive myself as the President of the US, does that make it real? No. Does that make it a fact? No. It's only my claim based on personal perception unless I can prove that I am the President of the country.
So unless you can reveal to us the time machine you have used to go back into time to prove to us that you are a witness to the god-of-the-bible instructing what the bible authors should write about himself, then you have no evidence and that the god-of-the-bible does not exist in reality as a matter of fact.
You misunderstand my argument.
You assume that something is real because you perceive it. How do you know that this all isn't a dream or a vision quest? You can't, thus everything you believe is an assumption.
And, though in the debate over the existance of G-d the BOP is on the theist, by making the resolution of the debate "G-d doesn't exist" you basically took the BOP upon yourself which you didn't need to do- but you did, so now YOU need to prove it.
In regards to your begining argument- G-d did not create humans as robots designed to worship- instead this is like if you had a son who went off to live with someone elses dad, you'd spank him for running away.
"Perception" alone is not the determining factor of whether something is in fact real. If you have evidence to prove that we are all currently living in a dream, then your claim would become fact. But since you are just speculating, then it is not a fact. Hence, everything we have experienced since we were born is not a dream, it is our reality.
The burden of proof that I have already presented is the fact that the bible is not written or caused to be written by a god-of-the-bible that exists in reality. It is a fact that writing tools were invented by man. Many thousands of years even before the invention of the bible, Egyptians created tools that could be used to write on stone. Needless to say, it is a fact that man developed language in order to effectively communicate with one another. And when you combine these two facts coupled with the fact that we have been designed by our creator(s) with a brain capable of inventing and imagining anything we can perceive in our minds and onto paper, man can also invent a god-of-the-bible or a Harry Potter that does not exist in reality.
Now the BOP falls back in your lap to prove that man does not have the creative mind to invent and create characters that do not exist in our reality, but can still be described on paper.
In regards to your curiosity, the god-of-the-bible including the jesus character instructs society to worship the god-of-the-bible exclusively:
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" - Luke 4:8.
And as already described, the punishment for worshiping another god is not spanking, it is for you to be destroyed from the face of the land or 1st degree murder:
"and he will destroy you from the face of the land." - Deuteronomy 6:14
Look, you cannot know that what you perceiving is real, in fact many scientists today believe that we are living in virtual reality- you just assume that what you are perceiving is real. But you only are able to tell if something is real by perceiving it, and if so- how is what you perceive any more true than what theists perceive?
Otherwise, these scientists are just feeding off of the same fantastic ideas and imaginations of the film directors for the Matrix. Or playing too much late-night VR games emersed in their VR head goggles.
Reality is clarified and confirmed upon the evaluation of evidence and facts, not determined by the things we imagine or perceive in our minds.
For example, if one of your loved-ones have been accused of 1st degree murder, would you let the jury and the courts accept accusations based on the testimony of what a witness "perceives" or "believes"? No, you would not. You would insist that the jury and the courts make a ruling based on facts and evidence; not one's perception or belief that your loved-one is the murderer.
That's how you can save your loved-one from being sentenced to the death penalty. By insisting in evidence and facts. And that's the reality.
It's apparent that you focused a lot of effort in insisting that our reality cannot be substantiated, but you actually have it backwards....it is the non-reality that cannot be substantiated in our reality of existence.
Thus, the god of the bible does not exist in reality.
Nice try...but better luck next time.
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Vote Placed by Theguy1789 4 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro opened his argument by saying that the god of the bible doesn't exist since there is no proof, Con rebuttal this by showing that god would fit the standard definition of real since he is perceived. Pro attempted to rebuttal this but only with circular logic, by stating "real = is fact," but failed to define how we are to determine if something is a "fact."
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