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The government ought to put policies in place to increase the number of females in STEM fields.

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Started: 8/24/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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I accept your challenge, I will be arguing in favor of government policies to help women get into stem fields.
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Posted by katie.snappy 1 year ago
katie.snappy
Quan, I realize that. I am in no way advocating for the government to allocate a certain number of STEM jobs for women, I am simply responding to Greg's comments.
Posted by frankabe 1 year ago
frankabe
Women are also in certain jobs because they are better at those jobs. More women are nurses because it's considered a "helping" profession. They do better at things involving a caring aspect. Same with teachers and other industries where women work with kids. It's not a hard and fast rule because, for example, there are plenty of women engineers in Russia. That might be a little skewed due to Communism and men being drunks.

But nobody is trying to stifle women. A lot of it is just what comes naturally. If you want to be an engineer, then be an engineer. Nobody is stopping you. If you can't find a job in engineering, then don't whine about it. Start your own business, do consulting, move for a job, etc. More power to you if you want to beat the odds, but don't complain if you don't beat those odds.
Posted by Quan-Douglas 1 year ago
Quan-Douglas
@katie.snappy That is an issue with society. Society is not the government's problem.
Posted by katie.snappy 1 year ago
katie.snappy
Greg, I agree. However, the problem is that Western culture perceives certain jobs as male or female oriented. In response to your examples about nurses and lumberjacks, nursing has been a historically female practice, as women were not allowed to become doctors and were also requested to work during times of war because the men were fighting. Lumberjacks have also been historically male because women were not seen as capable (physically) and were supposed to look after the home. And of course there are jobs that aren't "as good" that males dominate, but they are not the object of debate simply because they do not have the influence that the "better" jobs do. Many feminists highlight these careers (such as scientists, government officials, leaders...) simply because they are the epitome of male-dominated society. The rhetoric has long been women aren't capable of doing these "high-power" jobs and even in an age of equal-opportunity employment, the idea that men and women aren't equal is so pervasive that it is still effecting both women and men today.
Posted by mapleleaf173 1 year ago
mapleleaf173
The problem in STEM and other fields isn't that institutions are putting a cap on women applicants, or putting no women allowed signs on the lab doors, its that there is a cultural bias in Western Culture as a whole against women going into those fields, just like men going to be nurses or elementary school teachers. The government can't change an entire cultural paradigm by instituting a quota system, etc., its just plain counterproductive.
Posted by Greg4586 1 year ago
Greg4586
And Katie, what about fields where men are under represented or the very low class fields where females are under represented. I don't see a lot of people complaining how there aren't enough male nurses or there are too many male miners and lumberjacks. Kinda funny how most feminists only complain about women not having the best jobs in the world, but simply ignore jobs that aren't good or that females dominate.
Posted by Greg4586 1 year ago
Greg4586
Damn, was hoping instigator was pro. I actually got pretty excited to accept.
Posted by katie.snappy 1 year ago
katie.snappy
How about more women in *all* fields? Special treatment in STEM careers is unfair to women who are grossly underrepresented in other careers.
Posted by robertacollier 1 year ago
robertacollier
There should just be more nude women everywhere, and that's about it.
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