The Instigator
CAPLlock
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Double_R
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48 Points

The government story on 9/11 isn't truthful.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/4/2011 Category: Society
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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CAPLlock

Pro

R1 is acceptance

For me to win this debate, I must at least give you THREE lies or ' impossibilitys'
'story'=Is the widely accepted theory on 9/11
You must prove that said story is 100% true.
USA is said goverment
9/11- Is the attack on the Twin Towers( including WTC7) and the Pentagon.
Bare in mind I dont always have a chance on the internet, if needed the missing rounds in the comments.
Double_R

Con

Thanks to my opponent for instigating this challenge.

The resolution states that the government’s story on 9/11 isn’t truthful. The negation of this resolution is to show that the government’s story is truthful. This is my burden in this debate.

Pro states that I must prove said story to be 100% true. This is an impossible burden for anyone. As we are all human beings there will always be some miniscule element of every story that is later found to be incorrect, this does not negate that the story told was true. I do hope my opponent intends to argue some of the main facts about 9/11 and not some minor and insignificant perceived inconsistencies.

Pro also states:Bare in mind I don’t always have a chance on the internet, if needed the missing rounds in the comments”. If pro is saying that he can forfeit a round and post it in the comments I will remind him that this is widely considered an unacceptable practice by the members and the moderators of this site, as the comment section should never play a role in voting. There are 5 rounds, if Pro forfeits a round there should still be plenty left or him to make his case.

With that said, I hope for a productive debate and wish my opponent good luck.
Debate Round No. 1
CAPLlock

Pro

CAPLlock forfeited this round.
Double_R

Con

I guess the debate will begin in round 3.
Debate Round No. 2
CAPLlock

Pro

I'm sorry for a late answer. I shall note from you that terms are edited to your and my terms.

The official report states that a 747 jets crashed into the towers, but , The tower most likely could've
survived the impact the steel was weak. Now before I crunch numbers I shall state that most of the impact was finished when the weak steel gave. There was no out side fire on the airplane.
Steel weaks down by 50% at about 1600 F* Jet fuel burns at 600 F* The tower would be weak but shold've fell.

In the ruins of the Pentagon no traces of a plane was found.
Double_R

Con

Pros only claim in regards to the twin towers seems to be that towers should have survived the impact of the planes that he mistakenly refers to as 747’s, instead of 767’s. His support for this claim is that the steel melts down to 50% at 1600 F* while jet fuel burns at 600 F*. Pro has given no source for his claim which is factually incorrect, and also completely fails to take into account the damage caused by the planes that crashed into the building at approximately 500 mph.

Pros numbers seem reversed as Jet Fuel can actually burn up to app 1,800 F*(1) while steel would have lost half its strength at app 1,200 F* (2). Given that Jet fuel has the capability to burn far hotter then the point where steel would have lost half its strength, the claims made in the official story are not surprising. Nor is it surprising in retrospect that the buildings would have collapsed due to this and the damage caused by 767's crashing straight into them.

Pro also claims that there was no wreckage of flight 77 found at the pentagon. This is blatantly false. Many pieces of flight 77 were found and photographed by workers inside the pentagon. I invite my opponent to look at them. (3)
Debate Round No. 3
CAPLlock

Pro

CAPLlock forfeited this round.
Double_R

Con

Argument Extended.
Debate Round No. 4
CAPLlock

Pro

CAPLlock forfeited this round.
Double_R

Con


It appears CAPLlock was abducted by secret service agents protecting the government’s myth. His incredibly intelligent arguments were such a threat to their operation that they had to take action. Fortunately for me I was spared from having to come up with impossible answers to the unveiling of their plot and should be deemed the winner by forfeit.


Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by e2ndk 6 years ago
e2ndk
assuming that the steel was weakened by 50%, why did the top of the building not brake at their weakened point?
Posted by thett3 6 years ago
thett3
"The official report states that a 747 jets crashed into the towers,"

I highly doubt that considering that American grounded their last 747's in 1984.
Posted by Calvincambridge 6 years ago
Calvincambridge
I agree
Posted by 1Historygenius 6 years ago
1Historygenius
Yeah I follow it also!
Posted by Man-is-good 6 years ago
Man-is-good
An interesting debate...I'll try to follow this one in my spare time....
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CAPLlockDouble_RTied
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Reasons for voting decision: I only saw arguments by Con. Pro forfeited.
Vote Placed by Man-is-good 6 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: It appears that CAPLlock was abducted by government agencies after his intelligent post in the debate. He has become a martyr and we will remember him when we vote on this debate...
Vote Placed by thett3 6 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: lol at R's last round
Vote Placed by kohai 6 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: PRO forfeited, CON rebutted with sources
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Reasons for voting decision: LOL, great job utterly tearing apart the "arguments," Pro should have won because the 9/11 commision report came out and confirmed that the government lied about a few minor things, and hid others. So they weren't 100 truthful, but they weren't lying to the degree that Pro choose to claim.
Vote Placed by F-16_Fighting_Falcon 6 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: No!! Why did the secret service agents abduct Pro? Release him now! DDO demands his presence. He's got a debate to finish!
Vote Placed by jm_notguilty 6 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: ff