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# The idea of the monotheistic god is illogical

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 Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point Started: 2/15/2009 Category: Religion Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period Viewed: 4,863 times Debate No: 6932
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Posted by RoyLatham 8 years ago
mo, Cerebral, et al. You guys should write a paper and have it published in a peer-reviewed math journal. At present every math textbook and every educated mathematician has it completely wrong, according to you guys. You should set them all straight. Good luck.
Posted by thisoneguy 8 years ago
The Greeks invented logic but were not fooled by it. (and it's the sign of a good mind that remembers it)
Posted by CerebralCortex 8 years ago
Guys, allow me to remind us all that there is no 1/Inf because Inf is not a number. 1/0 is undefined its not defined to be 1/0 = Inf, people tend to get confused because lim[x->inf](1/x)=0 but this is mathematical semantics, all it means is that as x approaches inf (thus increases) 1/x approaches zero. Arithmetics with the "number" Inf does not exist and can not exist. Division by zero error !!! if 1/0 was Inf then what is 0/0 ? what is 2/0 ? is it 2*Inf ? This doesn't work. You can ask the following question if you like, what is lim[x->Inf](0/x) and the answer would be of-course 0. That doesn't mean anything about 0/0 which is absolutely undefined in arithmetics.

BTW - my point that started this whole discussion about calculus was with god's lottery game. My point was that since an infinite number of incompatible religions can potentially be invented, and they could all claim that if we don't choose theirs we will be sent to hell by their version of god. In such a game our chances for going to heaven by picking the right religion would be virtually zero, in other words it would be perfectly hopeless. lim[z->Inf](1/z)=0 where z is the number of possible religions and 1/z is the probability of a specific religion to be true (provided the probability function is uniform).
In the real world there is no way of knowing if god wants me to be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or maybe something else that was invented in the past, or will be invented in the future. So even if god came down from the sky and said I exist -- now choose the correct religion or I will send you to hell. I still would have no choice but to remain secular.
Posted by mohammeddurkajihad 8 years ago
the LIMIT may be zero, but the actual value IS NOT ZERO. I should not have to restate my points. the value CANNOT equal the limit, otherwise, the limit is not what it is declared to be.
Posted by RoyLatham 8 years ago
The limit 1/x x--> infinity is exactly zero. See http://everything2.com.... It's also in every advanced math textbook ever written. 1/infinity is an appropriate informal expression. 0/0 is undefined, i.e., meaningless.

I think a reasonable interpretation of "a monotheistic god" is "a god as conceived by monotheists." This would parallel "Christian belief" being the beliefs of Christians, not necessarily the beliefs of Christ.
Posted by mohammeddurkajihad 8 years ago
Wow... I just realized how off-topic you both were... a monotheist believes in one god. he is monotheistic. A monotheistic god would have to believe in another, superior god. therefore, both sides' arguments were off topic.
Posted by mohammeddurkajihad 8 years ago
whether or not I am pointlessly perpetuating this argument, if 1/infinity were precisely 0 then 1/0 would be infinity, since we use multiplication to define division, so 0/0 could only be 1, no matter what it is mutliplied by, so (0x)/0 could only be 1. x in the previous expression could be anything, so 1/infinity cannot be 0.
Posted by CerebralCortex 8 years ago
1. Roy, there is no 1/Inf there is only lim[z->inf](1/z)=0, this is basic calculas.
2. My point was that there is a problem with the concept of "god" because saying he is omnipotent is illogical and saying he is not makes certain things exist without the need for him. Hence god becomes superfluous in some aspects. True theologians would never agree to this. P.S there is no omnipotent within certian boundries because that would contradict the definition. Perhaps I should have choosen a better title and explained this idea better.
3. Con's arguements about evil proved his concept of god illogical afterall
Posted by Amphibian 8 years ago
I do not think that god would have to be all powerful to be relevant.
Posted by RoyLatham 8 years ago
Pro erred in not proposing an "omnipotent god." The resolution would still fail because omnipotence only refers to omnipotence in nature, not the ability to perform a logical contradiction.

BTW, mo-, 1 divided by infinity is precisely, exactly, zero. If it were not, infinity would have to be finite.
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