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The ideology of Feminism perpetuates negative stereotypes against males.

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Started: 2/23/2015 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Silver_regius

Pro

1. The ideology of Feminism is constituted by a negative male conspiracy theory.
2. The negative male conspiracy theory is mostly false and extremely stereotypical.
3. There fore the ideology of Feminism perpetuates negative stereotypes against males.

1-2. Patriarchy theory is inaccurate, culturally bigoted, and stereotypical.

a. Feminist narratives around Patriarchy Theory are not consistently true through out history and has other flaws.

i. Patriarchy theory is a theory that mostly applies to high class cultures and within those high class cultures, such women enjoy lavish life styles, often with hand maidens at their service.

ii. It was Queen Eleanore of Aquitaine that incorporated chivalry into romance, not a man, and she set the 19'th century standards of how men are to treat women, standards men are blamed for following.

iii. While laws where still being worked out to ensure freedom, non-land owning men had to fight and die, force by the draft, with out the right to vote. Men dies for it, women picketed for it.

iv. Domestic violence laws, rape laws, male obligation laws, and other laws protecting women have existed throughout history.

v. laws existed that punished husband for the crime of their wives, traditional that mock male victims of domestic violence, female who shame young boys into dieing at war, so the generalizations of Patriarchy Theory are no accurate.

vi. More points could be made upon request.

b. In a free society, people are free to choose cultures that other people may not agree with, that doesn't make them any less then any one else and their own life view of happiness if for them to decide. In other words, one cannot prove oppression exists by agreeing with cultural traditions, when everyone has the freedom to choose a culture for themselves. Furthermore, no one culture has the right to impede upon the freedoms of another culture.

c. Patriarchal theory generalizes other cultures with negative stereotypes, not all cultures had the same traditions, and there is no prove the genders where not happy with such a life.

i. There where no Seven Elevens to apply to int old times, schools was rare, people typically picked up a family trade, or had difficulty finding work. Others where born into their future careers. The idea that the same opportunities that exist for women today, could have existed then, is false. In the past, the family was a unit, and survival depended upon such units. In many places it is still that way today.

ii. Opportunities did exist for women in the past. women once owned and controlled the U.K. bear industry, they dominated the once well respected brothels industry, and there where even female lawyers as afar back as the 1600'S Women who owned land could vote, and women did own land, ti just want common place. Opportunities did exist for women, and cultures are not all oppressive.

iii. There is no proof that traditionally patriarchal systems are oppressive to women, women often express that such a relationship is ideal to them. Thus what is the issue is a difference in culture. No one can prove that the practices of that culture are harmed, nor that such traditional women are not living a life they enjoy.

Any group that generalizes these and many other fact, then used the generalization to make create a hostile narrative about another group of people, is a negative group an promotes negative stereotypes..
TessElena

Con

The definition of feminism, according to the dictionary, is the advocacy of women"s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes. Inequality towards females have been around for centuries, and there is a great amount of evidence suggesting so. For instance, the average female worker makes less than her male counterpart for doing the same job. Therefore, there is no negative male conspiracy.
You did not give examples so I do not know what you mean by stereotypical.

1~2.
i. the patriarchy applies to most class structures in western society, not just the higher class. Even in the higher class, the women do not have the same rights as men of the same class.
the bulk of modern feminism is not as concerned with chivalry as it is with other unequal treatment of women in areas such as job discrimination. Moreover, just because a woman created chivalry doesn"t mean she, or the rest of her sex, is thus solely responsible for it. Men have been the real enforcers of that ideology, especially since traditionally, women were sub parred to men.
Men were the ones who decided which gender should consist of the army, arguably out of sexism since they believe women are not as strong or as capable as men. Thus, proving that feminism is not bigotry because it fights against such sentiment.
domestic violence laws, rape laws...exist to better ensure gender equality. However, their existence does not mean the problem has been solved. Statistically speaking, most women are afraid to report rape incidents because society tend to disbelief and discriminate those who do report. Moreover, women are far more likely to be victims of domestic abuse than are men, so these laws are justified.
just because there are practices that target males, doesn"t mean there aren"t a thousand more that unfairly discriminates females. For instance, for years, females have been told to honor kill when they are raped, a matter in which they have no control over. When a husband cheat on his wife, the girl he cheated with is forced to take full responsibility even though sex is a two-people thing.
Most prominent cultures have sexism. The Chinese, many parts of the west....etc.. furthermore, victims most severely affected by sexism are often poor and thus, have low mobility. Therefore, not everyone can travel when they wish to.
as stated previously, most major cultures are patriarchal.
i do not understand your point.
It is t rue that opportunities did exist for women in the past. In the UK, women can own and control industry....But do they have the same opportunities as men? I think my past evidence speaks for itself.
There is a lot of proof that patriarchal system is oppressive to women, evidence shown above. There are also many writings by women who can write that stated their oppression. Women who have lived through the sixties who are still alive today can also attest that the sexism that arrives with a patriarchal system did cause them disatisfaction.

Given that the ideas of feminism is completely rational and justified, it does not perpetuate undue negative stereotypes against males. It is not by any means, perpetuating a stereotype.
Debate Round No. 1
Silver_regius

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TessElena

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
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Debate Round No. 3
Silver_regius

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Please Post!
Also, in response to one of the commenters, feminism does not perpetuate negative stereotypes against males because it is merely advancing female rights as it has not been equal to males. Just because feminists have been asking for more rights does not mean they necessarily paint an "stereotypes"- a widely held but simplified, and thus mistaken view, of males. For instance, feminist might ask companies to not fire female workers when they take maternal leave because it is unfair to fire girls for going through a natural process essential to society and yet males do not have to go through. However, simply arguing so doe snot paint a negative stereotype on males. Empowerment of one does not mean there must be slander to another.
Debate Round No. 4
Silver_regius

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TessElena

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Please vote con!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by worthlessfem 2 years ago
worthlessfem
The English in this is a bit iffy but I know what you're saying.

If feminism was genuinely about treating women and men with equal fairness I'd be a feminist.

But it isn't; it's become misandrist, hysterical, dishonest and downright stupid with ridiculous nonsense like Catherine MacKinnon's claim that 'all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women are incapable of giving consent.'
Posted by TessElena 2 years ago
TessElena
@Yoshiboy13
I absolutely agree with you.
Posted by YoshiBoy13 2 years ago
YoshiBoy13
In my opinion, the portrayal *of* feminism perpetuates *them* showing negative stereotypes against males, which is in effect a negative stereotype against feminists.
However, there are always going to be some feminists which believe they are superior to males, but that is true outside of feminism as well.
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