The Instigator
MTGandP
Con (against)
Losing
11 Points
The Contender
Ragnar_Rahl
Pro (for)
Winning
21 Points

The instigator will probably forfeit no rounds during this debate.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/15/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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MTGandP

Con

I will prove that I will forfeit at least one round during this debate.

FACTS
1. The time to argue is only five minutes.
2. After I start this debate, I will go to bed.

Anecdotal evidence says that most debates are accepted within 12 hours of their release. In 12 hours and five minutes, I will still be asleep (I sleep for a long time). It is therefore statistically unlikely that I will manage to avoid forfeiting round 2.

Since this is probably going to be my last post...

Vote CON!
Ragnar_Rahl

Pro

Nothing my opponent can do will actually be a "forfeit," since anything the system calls a forfeit will in fact be largely a preplanned (and flawed) metargument toward the debate. And therefore not a true "forfeit of a round," i.e., choice to not use the round for the purpose of winning.

No one would likely make such a resolution and give 5 minute rounds without such a plan. It is therefore improbable that no rounds will truly be "forfeited" by the instigator.
Debate Round No. 1
MTGandP

Con

MTGandP forfeited this round.
Ragnar_Rahl

Pro

Main Entry:
2forfeit
Function:
transitive verb
Date:
14th century
1: to lose or lose the right to especially by some error, offense, or crime
2: to subject to confiscation as a forfeit ; also : abandon, give up
— for�feit�able \-fə-tə-bəl\ adjective
— for�feit�er noun

http://www.merriam-webster.com...[2]

That is all.
Debate Round No. 2
MTGandP

Con

MTGandP forfeited this round.
Ragnar_Rahl

Pro

No rights are involved here, so the second is the relevant.

My opponent has not abandoned, nor given up. It's a ploy, a meta-argument, an attempt to win of a different form :)
Debate Round No. 3
MTGandP

Con

MTGandP forfeited this round.
Ragnar_Rahl

Pro

Note also to guard carefully against the fallacy of equivocation-- the server uses "forfeit" as a convenient label, but this does not mean that it has proven its assertion that anything my opponent has done constitutes an actual forfeit. The server is programmed to act on information that in this instance is incomplete.
Debate Round No. 4
MTGandP

Con

MTGandP forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
Yeah.

Anyways, because MTGrandP conceded, he conceded that your definition proved him wrong.
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
"What faults in my logic do you speak of?"

He meant that you could, not that you did.
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
"I did."

I would have argued that you had actually gone to bed 1 minute after you had started this debate (as evident by your profile and the countdown).
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
Well yes, any argument could be invalidated IF THE INSTIGATOR DEFINED THINGS DIFFERENTLY. lol. That's why the instigator only gets to pick definitions willy-nilly in the first round, otherwise, it's arguable :).
Posted by MTGandP 8 years ago
MTGandP
"The instigator has already lied. He said that he would go to bed after"
I did.

"A definition of "forfeit" would have helped."
Yes, if I had defined "forfeit" as "debate.org says I forfeited", it would have invalidated RR's whole argument.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
What faults in my logic do you speak of?
Posted by mongeese 8 years ago
mongeese
A definition of "forfeit" would have helped.

Ragnar_Rahl can post as much faulty logic as he wants, and it will survive.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
"Improbable" should be read as "probable." Chalk it up to the rush.
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
I'm atleast going to post what I had:

probably-in all likelihood; very likely http://dictionary.reference.com...

Let's look at the facts:
The instigator has already lied. He said that he would go to bed after
Posted by wjmelements 8 years ago
wjmelements
Darn it. I was ready to take this...
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