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gizmo1650
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studentathletechristian8
Con (against)
Winning
28 Points

The internet is fundamentally insecure

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/8/2010 Category: Science
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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gizmo1650

Pro

Round one will be for clarifications of definition, we'll argue in rounds 2, 3
Internet - The network system through which this site is transmitted to us, this includes the local routers (i'm open to a better definition, but i think we all know what the internet is)
fundamentally - at a basic level, i do not maintain that in cannot be secured
studentathletechristian8

Con

I thank my opponent for the debate.

I negate the resolution, "The Internet is fundamentally insecure."

I agree with my opponent's definitions of "Internet" and "fundamentally." However, my opponent did not define "insecure." Since this round is for clarifications of definitions, I shall present my definition of "insecure." It is only fair, since my opponent was able to define two key terms and left this term out in the open.

insecure - subject to fears, doubts, etc.; not self-confident or assured
http://dictionary.reference.com...

The Internet does not have feelings or emotions. Thus, it cannot be subject to fears or doubts; it cannot have a lack of confidence or assurance.

I have negated the resolution. I urge a Con vote. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 1
gizmo1650

Pro

not what i had in mind for insecure, but i'll accept your definition.

The internet is subject to fears by many people over the content that gets transmitted, as well as its security level (in terms of being hacked, not emotianal)

The internet has also been a subject of doubt (i doubt its security level)

not self-confident or assured
the semantics of this line state not self confident nor self assured.
as you pointed out the internet does not have feelings or emotions so how can it possibly be self confident or self assured
studentathletechristian8

Con

I thank my opponent for the response.

I would like the audience to note that my opponent clearly states that he accepts my definition.

The definition specifically refers to a person's emotions / character. Since the Internet does not have emotions or personality, your arguments about fear and doubt do not apply.

For example: Joan is insecure because she is subject to fear. This is when the term is used correctly.

The Internet is not a human; thus, it cannot be given humanlike qualities.

My opponent agrees that the Internet has no feelings or emotions and states that the Internet cannot be self confident or self assured. However, since it has no emotions or feelings, the term "insecure" cannot be applied to it. My position is that "insecure" cannot be applied to the Internet, and I have proven that. This also fills my requirement for negating the resolution. Thus, my opponent has conceded the debate.

Thank you.
Debate Round No. 2
gizmo1650

Pro

i have demonstrated how the internet has met con's definition of insecure, nowhere in the definition does it state and has feelings.
to repeat my argument:

Con's criteria for something to be insecure have two elements
1. it must be subject to fears and/or doubts
2. it must not be self confident and/or self assured

The internet is subject to fears. For example i fear that the Internet is hacked.
It is also subject to doubts. I doubt that the internet can proses all the connections we are giving it (remember internet includes local routers)
in order for con to show that the internet fits criteria one he must negate both of these points

2. In order to show that the internet does not meet this criteria con must show that the internet is self confident and self assured

clearly the internet fits con's definition of insecure, the fact it has no emotions is irrelevant.
studentathletechristian8

Con

My opponent has completely disregarded my arguments.

"i have demonstrated how the internet has met con's definition of insecure, nowhere in the definition does it state and has feelings."
Read my argument. Doubt that you did, since you have yet to refute what I have previously stated.

"The internet is subject to fears. For example i fear that the Internet is hacked.
It is also subject to doubts. I doubt that the internet can proses all the connections we are giving it (remember internet includes local routers)"
I have already refuted this. My opponent has failed to either read or understand my arguments.

"in order for con to show that the internet fits criteria one he must negate both of these points"
Wrong. You have to affirm that the Internet is insecure in its entirety. That's your BoP, and you have failed.

"2. In order to show that the internet does not meet this criteria con must show that the internet is self confident and self assured

clearly the internet fits con's definition of insecure, the fact it has no emotions is irrelevant."
I have argued this point and my argumentation still stands.

My opponent has refuted nothing of my last post. I urge a Con vote. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
You're fundamentally insecure.
Posted by studentathletechristian8 7 years ago
studentathletechristian8
That's a joke, btw.
Posted by studentathletechristian8 7 years ago
studentathletechristian8
Conduct point for skipping my argumentation?

You have it out for me.
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