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redsoxfreak010
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The issue of Slavery was the main cause of the Civil War

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Started: 2/3/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Voting Period
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SPF

Pro

Random House Websters College Dictionary's definition for The Civil War: The war in the U.S. between the North and South.
Note: By North and South I mean the North Eastern and South Eastern part of the United States. By issue I mean controversial issue.
There were a few causes for the Civil War:

- Slavery
- States Rights.
- Sectional Divide.
-A need to keep America One Nation.
Slavery was the main cause, because States Rights issues,issues of Sectional Divide and a need to keep America one nation, were related to the issues of Slavery. In the South the economy was mainly agricultural, and depended on slavery. In the North the economy was mainly Industrial and there was a paid workforce. The South exported it's cotton to the North, and the North exported it's products to the South. Many people in the Northern States people began to oppose slavery and abolitionists called for it's end, while southerners saw their way of life being threatened, and saw abolitionists as dangerous. Abraham Lincoln was opposed to slavery, and Southern states threatened his election would make them sucede from the Union. Before he was inaugurated, South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas already seceded from the Union. After Lincoln was sworn in as President came Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina, and Tennessee, all suceded from the Union.

Sectional Divide and States Rights were, in this case issues related to slavery. Southern States seceded from the Union because they felt the Federal Government wouldn't recognize their State Rights, in regard to slavery. The issue sectional divide, was because the Northern vs. Southern bitter sectional divide was caused by southerners feeling threatened by northerners who wanted to end slavery and visa versa.
The need to keep America united was something that wouldn't have caused war if eleven southern states hadn't seceded, which wouldn't have happened anyway if the issue of Slavery or freedom wasn't an issue at the time.

So to recap my logic:
If states rights on the issue of SLAVERY was a cause of the Civil War,
If sectional divide on the issue of SLAVERY was a cause of the Civil War,
If a need to Reunite the U.S. after secession for the reasons above where SLAVERY is the primary factor,

then the issue for slavery was the main cause for the Civil War.
I stand by for the next round.
redsoxfreak010

Con

The problem with Pros arguments is that he forgets that slavery was the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the civil war. THe reason South left was because the restriction of state rights. One of them happened to be slavery. Slavery has been exagerated as the main cause of the civil war. We have to look at the fact that slavery was a major resource. I don't agree that is right at all. But that was the fuse that started the states rights explosion.
For these reasons I can only see a negative ballot.
Debate Round No. 1
SPF

Pro

First of all I would like to thank redsoxfreak010, for accepting my challenge for this debate.

"The problem with Pros arguments is that he forgets that slavery was the cause of the cause of the cause of the civil war."

The way my opponent tries to put it slavery was the cause of sectional divide which was the cause of states rights which was the cause of the civil war. Actually slavery was the cause of sectional divide, and states rights issues, at the same time, and the three combined caused states to suceede the Union, and then Abraham Lincoln's responsibility was to reunite the Union, thus causing the civil war. If the States hadn't suceeded, there wouldn't have been a war. The main cause of the sucession of southern states was slavery, because the issues of sectional divide, and states rights were interwoven with the issue of slavery, the question of slavery was the common thread of the other issues. It should also be noted that it was the Confederate South that fired the first shots of the civil war at Fort Sumter. They wanted the Union troops out of an American Naval base at Charrelstown. They fired for the reasons stated above. After they took Fort Sumter, fighting back was a necessary retaliation. So even if you were to say slavery was the reason the south suceeded, and the north tried to win the south by going to war you would be wrong. We went to war because of mainly because of slavery.

"The reason the South left was because the restriction of state rights. One of them happened to be slavery."

ALL of them happened to be slavery. If there are any others, my opponent should put them in the next round, or if he can't some where in this debate.If redsoxfreak010 couldn't find another reason state rights are being violated, than I am not "exagerating" about slavery being the main cause.

"We have to look at the fact that slavery was a major resource."

Exactly! Slavery was a major economic resource, unfourtunately, and when the Southern States felt this resource was being threatened, they protested their states rights by seceeding the Union.

My opponent admitted it:
"But that was the fuse that lit the states rights explosion."

I extend all my arguements from the first round to this round.
redsoxfreak010

Con

First, The reason the North was so apt to fight against the south is because they broke away. Not because of slavery. The south broke away because of state rights were being violated. Slavery was the main one but thats not the cause. Its the cause of the cause of the cause. Even though abolitionists wanted slavery abolished thats not why we went to war. We went to war because we were not going to let the south break away.
Debate Round No. 2
SPF

Pro

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"The south broke away because of state rights were being violated. Slavery was the main one but that's not the cause."
Take note of two things :
1. My opponent conceeded that slavery was the main violation of states rights.
2. My opponent didn't find any other violation of states rights.

"We went to war because because we were not going to let the south break away."
This was a factor, but remember, the Confederacy fired the first shots, at Fort Sumter.

Question to Redsoxfan010: Can you find any violation of states rights other than slavery?

If not, then the ballot is more clearly Pro then you described it to be Con in Round 1.

Arguments:

Remember, the Confederates went to war with the Union, not visa versa. Their reason was because the Confederates felt their states rights would be violated on the SLAVE question, under Lincoln's administration. Sectional Divide between North and South was on the SLAVE question. There was already deep divide on the issue of slavery, the nation came close to civil war in 1850, and it was the Missouri Compromise of 1850 that united the nation until 1861. Slavery was an intense, emotional issue for most of the first half of the 19th century. Joseph Smith predicted the Civil War in the 1830's. It seems as if the nation was headed for a collision on slavery for most of the first half of the 19th century. Slavery was the main issue of the Civil War, partly because all of the other issues were caused by divide of slavery. My opponent tries to counter this with the "cause of the cause of the..." argument. What he doesn't seem to understand is that slavery was the common thread, just like addiction to oil is the main thread to problems including Energy, Environment, and Economy. My opponent seems to assert that it is more like those Russian Babushka dolls that open and have a replica inside of it.
redsoxfreak010

Con

redsoxfreak010 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by redsoxfreak010 5 years ago
redsoxfreak010
don't add to your arguments. thats cheating. its over.
Posted by SPF 5 years ago
SPF
redsoxfreak forfeited the last round. Even if he didn't, it would have been an obviously Pro ballot, considering the fact that redsoxfreak couldn't back up his claim that there were other States Rights issues violated, then the threat of slavery's abolishment.
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Reasons for voting decision: The simple truth of the matter is that, without slavery, the Civil War would not have happened.
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