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lucasrererer
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Partyboat
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The murder of babies-abortion- should it be legalized?

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Started: 12/16/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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lucasrererer

Con

Abortion is immoral and impractical.

Doctors are paid enormous amounts of money to kill babies,
the same doctors who took the Hippocratic oath to take care and abide by the code of ethics.

Numerous scientific research has explained that life begins at conception, for the chromosomes of the "blastoid", as the baby is called in that stage, are the same chromosomes the adult has when it is 80.

If a baby in a crib was on the railroad tracks and a train was coming down the tracks, you would try and save it, right?
Same concept.
I bet if that happened, everyone in neighborhoods across the nation would be furious.
But this is happening today, almost 4000 little girls and boys.

This is not a religious issue, this is a matter of the precious life that is being taken from these little ones every day.
Partyboat

Pro

First off I think you are wrong. Aborting a baby before it is born, and watching a baby about to get hit by a train are two totally different things. Also they aren't killing a baby since the fetus is born yet. The only time abortion should be illegal is 3rd trimester and beyond. Also this is a personal choice of the carrier of the baby. No one should be able to tell that person how she should run her life. Also if having the birth of the child is dangerous to the mother's health or the baby's health would you still feel the same way?
Debate Round No. 1
lucasrererer

Con

Ok, on your arguement.

1. If you see things from my point of view, they are equatable at the least.

2. The defenition of fetus from dictionary: The young of an animal in the womb or egg, esp. in the later stages of development when the body structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humans after the end of the second month of gestation. The fetus contains chromosomes that remain the same until the day the adult dies. From conception, most scientists and doctors view the fetus as alive.

3.Ok, is there really a difference in trimesters?

Take the last day of the second, and the first day of the third, what is the difference?
Partyboat

Pro

1) Yeah of course if I say something from another point of view that other side would make sense.

2) You say most scientists believe the fetus is alive, while others don't. I don't believe the fetus is alive. Here is the definition of life: 1.to have life, as an organism; be alive; be capable of vital functions: all things that live. When a fetus is first being structured it doesn't have the vital functions it needs.

3) Yes, there are differences of trimesters, that is why they are broken up. It doesn't matter if it is the last day of the 2nd trimester since it is still the second trimester. Every three months states a new trimester.
Debate Round No. 2
lucasrererer

Con

On your #2:
From the first third of the second trimester on, babies have been born and survived.
(Premature birth).

They are alive, even according to your dictionary, which is wrong.

On your #3:
But still, is there really that big of a difference between 1 day?
Partyboat

Pro

1) My definition is one of many correct answers. Also you say "From the first third of the second trimester on, babies have been born and survived." What if the baby was born in the 1st trimester? That babies chance of living is slim to none, and would most likely have birth defects. That doesn't seem like a lively fetus to me.

2) Yes there is. You need to draw the line somewhere. You can't just keep saying well there isn't a big difference, that defeats the purpose of having the time period.

3) I don't see why the women doesn't have the choice. You seem so concerned with the baby you seem to forget the other person concerned here. You don't know how she got pregnant. So to force a child that is supposed to be loved onto her is wrong. Right there the life could be ruined for both parties. The sacrificing of the baby can also be seen as sparring the baby its hard life ahead, not my opinion personally, but are others. So to come in and acting bold saying that women can't have an abortion is wrong.

4) Also this is also one way to keep the population of the globe down. The only factors keeping the population down. It's why trying to save everyone is a bad idea, because in the end it can be helping.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by lucasrererer 9 years ago
lucasrererer
Wow... pretty much messed this one up...
Posted by paul_tigger 9 years ago
paul_tigger
If abortion is so correct, why do you think the federal government forbids the use of graphic images of an abortion?
Why is it ok to show pictures in horror movies of people slicing one another yet not ok when that is also done to a fetus in an abortion? Why is it ok to show people jumping from a burning building yet refuse to show how a fetus is burned alive when injected with a saline solution?

Why is there such a double standard when you say it's woman choice yet you deny the voice of the infant?

ONCE AGAIN, a baby out of the woman is just as helpless a fetus in the woman. You cannot define life simply by those terms. What makes a baby inside the woman any different than the baby on the inside? All the people who argue this fallacy do so on semantics. Just because when a woman wants a child is called a child and when she doesn't it's a piece of inconvenience, a tumor, a waste to dispose of?
Posted by Greg512 9 years ago
Greg512
"1. to have life, as an organism; be alive; be capable of vital functions: all things that live. When a fetus is first being structured it doesn't have the vital functions it needs."

Weak. This is a pretty worthless definition. There are many better out there, "the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism... etc" (dictionary.com). From the point of conception it is a "living" being; there is a fundamental difference between it and an inanimate rock or glass or plastic.

The best you could say is that its life is totally dependent, like some sort of growth, like a mole or tumor or unneeded organ or some other living tissue that we feel free to amputate and dispose of. Even there the analogy is strained, because none of those can develop the potential to live independently nor can a year-old infant live independently.

The conclusion is really quite inescapable: a fetus is alive, is human, and has rights.
Posted by guitar122586 9 years ago
guitar122586
I personality think abortion is okay. The choice to have an abortion should be left up to the people not the federal or state governments. Abortion from my point of view is a useful tool when a baby is to be born by a rape victim, a women in poverty who cannot support a child financially or a women not mentally stable enough to mother a child.
Posted by Cindela 9 years ago
Cindela
lucasrererer, you didn't elaborate on any of your arguments, and all you did was rebut Partyboat's. For that reason, and for the fact that Partyboat rebutted all of your's he wins.
Posted by SnoopyDaniels 9 years ago
SnoopyDaniels
"When a fetus is first being structured it doesn't have the vital functions it needs."

Excuse me? Exactly which essential body functions of a fetus aren't working? What happens when the baby comes out of the womb that magically makes it alive? Was it dead before it was born? Of course not. If the baby is alive after it comes out of the womb, then it was alive when it was in the womb. If a baby is a human when it is outside of the womb, then it is a baby inside of the womb. Unless you can provide some kind of scientific evidence to indicate at what point in the term the baby becomes alive, then it is logical to assume that it is always alive, all the way back to its conception. Simple logic.
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