The new testament is antisemitic
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I will argue as "Con" defending that it is not antisimitism.
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First, it is clear as per John 8 that the New Testament is anti-Semitic.
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father"s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
In this passage, Jesus is talking to the Jewish crowd who believed in him. After Jesus told him to keep his commandment, those Jews said that Abraham was their father. Then you find Jesus saying that they are not of Abraham, but of the devil. Why? Because they did not believe in Jesus. As a whole, the Jewish people reject Jesus and those who reject Jesus are from the father the devil.
Thus as a whole, the Jewish people are (as per the new testament) the father of the devil.
We can also add to this passage if we look at Revelation 2:9 and 3:9
"Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan ..." (Revelation 2.9,10)
Only the Jews go to synagogue and because they do not believe in Jesus they are not "real" Jews because they are from the synagogue of Satan. True Jews, as per the new testament is the Church and false Jews are those of the mutilation. Look at Galatian 6:17
Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule--to the Israel of God.
17 Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; 18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth" 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written: "God"s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."[b]
25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law"s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the[c] written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person"s praise is not from other people, but from God. Romans 2
True Jews are the one that believe in Jesus and those who don't it became outward and obsolete. Thus they are false Jews who are from the synagogue of SATAN!
Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilators. Philipians 3:2
Or look at the way it is written in another translation
Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision;
True circumcision, would be when they are circumcised from the earth (believe in Jesus) and those who are of the mutilation are the true Jews of today who are circumcised on the 8th day.
You can see even further that those who deny the son, but accept the Father are anti-christ. The only one that accept the Father and deny the son are the true Jews.
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is an antichrist, that denieth the father and the son. Whoever denieth the son, the same hath not the father" (l John 2.22,23)
And what shall await all those Jews who are circumcised, they will, as per the New testament be thrown in hell:
"The children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 8.12) (this quote is not necessary anti-Semitic by itself, but is used to show what will happen to them)
Also, I would like to add that all quotes in the book of John that says "The Jews" are extremely pejorative. "The JEWS" tried to stone him. John 10:31, John 6:4, John 5:16-18, etc. Not only this is pejorative, but John, a Jew himself distant himself from being a Jew by saying "The feast of the JEWS" John 7:11-13
Finally, Paul himself said that the "Jews" killed Jesus.
"The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." (l Thessalonians 2.14-16)
Just as the JEWS killed the prophets (Acts 7.51-53)
And on top of that the JEWS accept the blood of Jesus "All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!""
Jesus said clearly in a parable what he will do to the Jews: But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" Luke 19:27
Look at Gills exposition of this verse:
But those mine enemies,.... Meaning particularly the Jews, who were enemies to the person of Christ, and hated and rejected him, as the King Messiah; and rebelled against him, and would not submit to his government; and were enemies to his people, and were exceeding mad against them, and persecuted them; and to his Gospel, and the distinguishing truths of it, and to his ordinances, which they rejected against themselves:
Now would you wonder why Hitler had not difficulty to kill those enemy of their lord Jesus! Maybe, when the read those passages, they only thought that they are offering a service to god!
Look what they actually accuse the Jews, and behold they are doing the same and worst (inquisition, WWII, etc.)
They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. John 16:2
I will wait for my opponent to prove me I'm wrong...
Here is a website called "Jews for Jesus"
Only these persons may be defined as Judeans:
1) Members of Judah’s tribe, when the Hebrew people were split into tribes.
2. An inhabitant of Judea country when it existed as a state entity.
What is a Jew in contrast to a Judean?
A Judean was one who was born in the ancient independent and separate kingdom of Judea. The Biblical definition for the word “Jew” in the KJV of the Bible is “Judean”. A Judean was one who was born in the ancient independent and separate kingdom of Judea, a person loyal to the king of Judea, an inhabitant of the kingdom of Judea, and/or one having citizenship rights in the kingdom of Judea.
In the Christian Bible, a Jew, or Judean, is not defined as someone “in the tribe of Judah”. Herod the Great was a Jew, yet his mother was a Nabatean. Paul was a Jew (Acts 22:3), yet he was of the tribe of Benjamin (Philippians 3:5). A Jew, or Judean, could have been from any tribe.
A person could convert to Judaism and be a "Jew".
Hebrews are "Jews".
Hebrew is the biblical term for the Israelites. Like The Japanese speak Japanese, Hebrews speak Hebrew. But, by the time the Romans came around and gave the Jewish people that name, only the tribe of Judah remained identifiable. Because of this, Hebrews are known as Jews.
Hebrew might be a better way to describe the overall ethnicity of this group.
Judaism would be the actual religion of which one doesn't have to be Hebrew.
In ancient times one could be Judean (a "Jew") and not be Hebrew.
What's the point? "Jew" can mean multiple things.
*One way of thinking states Jesus isn’t calling all Jews the devil’s spawn, he’s talking only about inhabitants of the area, but not condemning nearly all "Jews".
*Another line of thinking says not all "Jews" were present at Jesus' condemning, nor were all "Jews" against Jesus.
Jewish Christians, also Hebrew Christians or Judeo-Christians, were the original members of the Jewish movement that later became Christianity. In the earliest stage the community was made up of all those Jews who accepted Jesus as a venerable person or even the Messiah (Christ).
1st century "Jewish Christians" were totally faithful religious Jews. They differed from other contemporary Jews only in their acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah.
(Pastor John Hagee)
"The day America turns its back on Israel, is the day God turns His back on America." (Referencing the Prophet Joel in the book of Joel)
I now present Zechariah as an example of God/Christ's grace upon "Jews".
"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son." (Zechariah 12:10)
*Another line of thinking says not all "Jews" were present at Jesus' condemning, nor were all "Jews" against Jesus.
Ok, let see what those Jew say "we have Abraham as our father". This is a good definition of a Jew. Someone who is a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Mordecai was a Jew from the tribe of Benjamin and the word Jews has been know since that time (first exile) to refer to any descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There is more to say, only the JEWS who don't believe in Jesus are called like that. "Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!" So all Jews who don't believe in Jesus (AKA Rabinical Judaism who deny Jesus) are from there father the devil. So yes that passage is anti-semetic.
Jewish Christians, also Hebrew Christians or Judeo-Christians, were the original members of the Jewish movement that later became Christianity.
Yes and as per the new testament they are the "real" Israel, the "real" Jews and the other are not!
Most scholars think that the anonymous author of John wrote it in the first century.
Although the Gospel is ostensibly written by John, "the beloved disciple" of Jesus, there has been considerable discussion of the actual identity of the author.
many scholars suggest that it was written at Ephesus, in Asia Minor, in about ad 100 for the purpose of communicating the truths about Christ to Christians of Hellenistic background.
"1st century "Jewish Christians" were totally faithful religious Jews"
Thus even if the firs christians were Jews, the new testament and especially John's letters were the last written. And because the thought the were the real Jews, the others were false Jews and deserved to be scolded at (that's what the thought)!
"(Pastor John Hagee)"
Yes many christian will rationalize those bible verses. And John Hagge and many messianic are like that. But Jesus said it.
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'" Luke 19:27
See even if all Israel will be save, as per Paul, that Israel will believe in Jesus, thus they will be Christians and not, Jesus-denial Jews (the real ones). So all those Bible verse that talks good about the Jews are only talking good because those Jews believe in Jesus. But a Jew who believe in Jesus is no longer a Jew. They are apostate Jews! Thus, the authors of the New Testament misquote Zechariah 12 saying that they will look on Jesus, and thus believe Jesus. Again, they will really be Christians!
My argument stand. The new Testament is anti-semitic against real Jews.
Jesus was a Jew.
(Matthew 1:1-17)Geneology of Jesus-
Above his head they placed the written charge against him: this is jesus, the KING OF the JEWS.
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the JEW, then to the Gentile." (Romans 1:16)
2 Timothy 2:13
"He cannot deny himself."
If God/Christ cannot deny Himself, then He cannot deny Himself as a Jew.
"Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God." (John 1:12)
Jews can recieve Him. He cannot deny Himself.
But it does not change the fact that the NT has clear passages that are anti-semitic. I do not believe that the New Testament is inspires, thus one passage may not look anti-semitic and the other be quite extremely anti-semitic. Jesus (or the NT writers) created a new religion. Those who did not accept Jesus are marked as follower of Satan. It does not matter if the person that start the sect was actually part of the group, he distinguished himself and ask everybody to follow him. Those who did not follow Jesus are hated as per the Bible verse I previously stated.
KING OF the JEWS.
And the Jews rejected their king, and his blood is on them. Christians could see that as a good excuse to persecute them...
It does not change the fact that other passages are clearly anti-semetic.
"If God/Christ cannot deny Himself, then He cannot deny Himself as a Jew."
Logically speaking, that Jesus is a Jew who believe in himself, thus he is a believer (christian). Those Jews we are talking about are those who do not accept Jesus.
Jew can Convert to christianity. And that is the option they received too often. Kiss the cross or the sword! Thans' to the NON testament.
Jesus' parents were both Jews. God declared Mary was favored. So a Jew was favored.
The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."
"God loves us all"
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."
*Jews are a part of the world.
And who could hate this guy? Yes, Jesus loves him too.
And these guys too...
Hate these people? Hmmm...I don't. (Ahem...)
It does not nullified the fact that other passages are quite anti-semetic. Muslim will argue the the quran is not violent by quoting verses that condemns atrocity, but other verses approve it. You are doing the same with the christian bible.
"God loves us all"
The christian god chooses those who accept Jesus (Ephesian 1:4-5). In the other side of the coin, those who are not saved, including the Jews were not chosen by jesus, and those deserve his wrath.
Look at John 12:40 ""He has blinded their (JEWS) eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them.""
the Christian god purposely blinded the Jewish people to reveal his wrath!
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes (but they can't because they were blinded by god) in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
NOTE: I am not saying that christians are all anti-semitic. Most Christian love the Jews, but their Bible is anti-semitic.
The Gospel of John in particular is cited as being anti-Jewish for its numerous references to "the Jews" persecuting Jesus, which allegedly are meant to paint every Jew in a negative light. However, "the Jews" usually refers to a particular group of Jews, in particular the Pharisees and religious leaders.
In 6:41 and 10:31, "the Jews" refers to the particular group of people Jesus was speaking to at the time: those attending the synagogue in Capernaum (6:59) and gathered in a particular spot in the temple in Jerusalem (10:23-24).
The people referenced in 7:11-13 are the crowds of Jews gathered to celebrate a Jewish holiday. It is worth noting that some of the Jews are recorded as having a favorable opinion of Jesus; John is not trying to say that all the Jews slandered him. The people who are afraid to speak "for fear of the Jews" are themselves Jewish; therefore it is most likely that "the Jews" here refers to the religious leaders who were against Jesus and not all Jews.
Those who planned to kill Jesus in 11:53 were the religious leaders, not the Jews in general. (11:47-48) However, the plot of the Jewish leaders would make it difficult for Jesus to be among the general Jewish population, as those who agreed with or feared the leaders could report his whereabouts. Again, this does not imply that every single Jew was out to kill Jesus. In fact, not even all of the chief priests were united against Jesus, for the high priest believed in him. (11:49-52)
Finally, in John 19 it seems that the primary agitators for Jesus' death (if not in fact the only ones) are the chief priests, not the Jews as a whole. The chief priests are the ones speaking in verses 6 and 15, and are the ones Pilate dealt with concerning Jesus.
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