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The next U.S. president should implement a Universal Health Care system

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Started: 12/25/2007 Category: Health
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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fenderbender601

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The next U.S. president should implement a Universal Health Care system. There are still MILLIONS of Americans who can't afford health care. And many of these Americans without health care aren't able to get a job because of physical and metal issues, etc. By implementing a universal health care system, many more Americans will be able to have access to health care.
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Merry Christmas fenderbender! :)
Thank you for posting this interesting debate topic here.

There are certain areas I would consider fist before I say Universal Health Care is a better plan for the whole nation.

1) Cost. The cost of socialized health care is ALWAYS higher than private health care. The money must be taken by force, it will be from our high tax. Even though you and I are covering the cost of millions of people without health insurance, it still costs less than if you and I were covering EVERYONE'S health care.

2) Quality of care. We are talking about a government-run program here. This is the same government that can't keep the roads paves, the bridges from collapsing, or the names of illegal aliens that they actually have caught straight. What do you think will be the effect of government run health care will be on the quality of care. If you really want to know, just look at cancer mortality rates in countries with universal health care vs. our mortality rates.

3) Accessibility. Currently, even if we have to wait a "long time" for health care, we can generally see the doctor of our choice within a few days or at the worst, a couple of weeks. In Canada, the minimum wait for a procedure is several months. I have had friend's family traveling to the US for medical treatment.

4) Compensation. The almighty buck talks, crap walks, as they say. A government system in which the government is the sole arbiter of what doctors will receive as compensation (usually UNDERCOMPENSATION) is not conducive to good practitioners becoming doctors. In the USA, if a doctor doesn't like the compensation being paid by a particular insurance company, he can choose not to accept that insurance anymore. In a government-run system like Canada's, individuals are not allowed to pay doctors, only the government is, and only the government determines the payment structure. So instead of a guy working his tail off for 10 years or more to become a doctor (4 years of med school, 2 internship, 3 residency, and multiple years in a fellowship studying a specialty) and incurring debt that he won't be able to cover because of the poor compensation levels paid to him by the government, he'll instead become a lawyer... like we need more of those.

5) Efficiency. The government is a bureaucracy... which is to say that it is wasteful. The government doesn't care if their program is wasting money, because they can always raise taxes (or so they think) to cover the waste. But a private company's sole interest is in the bottom line. They eschew waste in order to maximize profits. They are efficient, and thus lower-cost. Which brings us back to #1. They also manage their coverage to cover as many people as possible, because they want as many customers as possible in order to maximize profits. Thus they are efficient in covering everyone they can. The government doesn't care whether you really get coverage or not... you're just a cog in the system and you really don't have a choice to go elsewhere, so why would they care whether you really get the efficient coverage you need or not.

Thank you.:)

P.S.Most places say 40-50 million Americans have no health care. But the actual truth is, every American has no health care. We do not have a health care system in the US. What we have is a Symptoms and Disease Care System. There is absolutely no system of helping people become healthy. That's what my concern is!
Debate Round No. 1
fenderbender601

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fenderbender601 forfeited this round.
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As H. L. Mencken said: "For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and wrong."

I will not further my argument until my opponent is ready.
Debate Round No. 2
fenderbender601

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fenderbender601 forfeited this round.
NSG

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I will not post my arguement because my opponent did not post his argument within the allotted time.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by dorobo 9 years ago
dorobo
I am afraid we have scared her away,lol.
Posted by dalzuga 9 years ago
dalzuga
lmao Socialist. tj has def got to learn some manners... and update his definition of funny.

tj, that "babe" comment is a bit condescending dont ya think? ! she's not your sex toy. and dont tell me u were being funny. cuz it wasnt funny. it was stupid.
Posted by SocialistRI82 9 years ago
SocialistRI82
thats weird, no one laughed. and FYI im not gay. Funny that a guy in a flaming purple shirt would have the gaul to call me gay.
Posted by tjzimmer 9 years ago
tjzimmer
i was just being funny u big fagg
Posted by SocialistRI82 9 years ago
SocialistRI82
WOW I thought this was a website about debates! Didn't realize internet dating sites were sponsoring it. Things must be rough in your lives to be hitting on women on a internet debate site.
Posted by dorobo 9 years ago
dorobo
tjzimmer, you are right! she is intelligent and different, I'd like to talk to her as well.
Posted by PreacherFred 9 years ago
PreacherFred
Historically, Boston ignores the Southcoast region. Governor Patrick is paying attention to it. New Bedford is the 4th largest city (population wise)in the state yet consistently lags behind the state in any programs that are offered. Under the present governor, commuter rail for the Southcoast is once again on the fast track.
Posted by kels1123 9 years ago
kels1123
What about the deficit in MA that Romney cleared up? he did a better job than Deval Patrick is doing.
Posted by PreacherFred 9 years ago
PreacherFred
Your right, he did do a good job...of messing things up! Just my opinion! Another example is his failure to support the expansion of commuter rail to the southcoast region even after thousands of dollars have already been spent in preperation work.
Posted by mjvoss 9 years ago
mjvoss
Did you expect Romney to revolutionize Massachusetts being a conservative running a heavily liberal state? Considering his position, you have to admit he did a good job.
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