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Brenavia
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Cobo
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The next major world superpower will come out of Asia

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/30/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Brenavia

Pro

1st round is for acceptance and definitions.

Superpower: A superpower is a state with a dominant position in the international system which has the ability to influence events and its own interests and project power on a worldwide scale to protect those interests.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Cobo

Con

I accept

Major: A superior in some class or group
And I agree to the pro's definition of superpower.
Debate Round No. 1
Brenavia

Pro

I thank my opponent for accepting my debate challenge. This will be not a debate over which countries are currently superpowers, but instead that the next major one will come out of the continent of Asia. To clarify, the United States is currently the world's reigning superpower. Other forces might seem to be major world powers, but in fact they have something hindering them. For example, the European Union (or EU) is not a superpower, for economic troubles and the lack of a unified military make it impossible for them become a major player in world affairs.

The Con will take the side that Asia will not be home to the next major world superpower. To prove this, the Con can both offer an opposing continent to hold the superpower and refute my reasons. For further clarification, the nation/continent that the Con offers must be a RISING power, meaning that the force is not currently but will be a superpower. Unacceptable answers to this topic will be the United States, any international organization like the UN or ASEAN, and any continent as a whole. Specific nations must be listed as the superpowers rising in a continent.

Now that the clarification is out of the way, I will now move on to my arguments and contentions:

Contention 1: Militarism
Asia is home to many nations currently experiencing a rise in military power. History has shown that nations with the ability to command large military forces have the hard power necessary to accomplish the goals and fulfill the ambitions of the country. China, Russia, and India are major countries that are expanding their armies and becoming more powerful in this way.
Military spending is a good measure of a nation's devotion to making their military more powerful. Out of the top ten countries spending the most on their militaries, six nations are found in Asia. Out of the top five, four are Asian [1]. Russia and China have been growing their militaries as well, preparing to use them however they need them [9]. In this sense, it is very likely that an Asian nation will be the world's next military superpower.
Not only the amount of dollars, but the size and technological use of the military itself of many Asian nations is expanding. The Pentagon has reported that, "Bolstered by the development of a new stealth fighter, an aircraft carrier and a record number of space launches over the past year, China is on pace to achieve its goal of building a modern, regionally focused military by 2020" [2]. China is a prime example of the increasing modernization currently being exhibited by the militaries of many Asian forces. But, if modernization is not coming from within, it must come from without. Iran, holding on of the US' drones, is modernizing their drones and warplanes to make them more stealthy using US techniques [5].
The United States and other world powers are distancing themselves militarily from Asian countries. Israel, one of the US' most important allies, is taking action to protect their own interests over the interests of the US. If Israel attacks Iran, it is highly unlikely that the US will be informed beforehand [3]. In addition, the US is refusing to listen to Asian powers on defense issues regarding those nations, including missile defense systems and Russia [4]. This distancing effect of the current ruling powers of the world means that Asian forces are not being held down as hard, and have the opportunity to rise should they choose to do so.
Lastly, the realms of warfare that will be fought over in the future are becoming more extreme, and Asian forces are preparing for such conflict [6]. The increasing aggressiveness of Asian nations is becoming evident, and a danger to the nations surrounding them [10].
With militaristic influence spreading, Asia is preparing itself to handle the issues of the future far better than any other continent.

Contention 2: Economy
The economies of Asian nations are growing and becoming more powerful. In the top five most powerful economies, three are Asian nations [7]. In addition, we have seen India overtake Germany, and Russia overtake the UK terms of purchasing power and GDP growth.
The US, the world's most powerful economy, is slowing down with economic growth [8]. With the EU and other international economic forces becoming weaker and more unstable, the time for a nation in Asia to rule the world economically is now.

Contention 3: Politically
The cooperation between Asian countries is present, and is setting up the nations involved to become more powerful. Perhaps the best example of this that can be provided is the recent cooperative governmental agreement between the governments of Japan and China, traditionally hesitant to cooperate with one another [11].

As empires rise and fall with the winds of change, values long held by the peoples of Asia grew their roots deep into the psyche of the people affected. The Asian people, wherever corner or state they are from, are seeing today's progressive society as an opportunity to rise in power and prestige. The Cold War is over, the West grows placid in wealth and comfort, and the starving yet ambitious people of the world's largest continent are preparing for the inevitable: the rise of an Asian power strong enough to command attention from around the world. In the opinion of many Asian people groups, the ruling powers of the globe today have lost the Mandate of Heaven, and it is time for a new Asian dynasty to replace it.

1: http://www.globalsecurity.org...
2: http://news.yahoo.com...
3: http://www.foxnews.com...
4: http://www.foxnews.com...
5: http://ca.news.yahoo.com...
6: http://www.foxnews.com...
7: http://www.economywatch.com...
8: http://www.nytimes.com...
9: http://www.guelphmercury.com...
10: http://www.bbc.co.uk...
11: http://www.mofa.go.jp...
Cobo

Con

I would like to thank my opponent for the debate...
The con will take the position only to counter the pro's claims and not put any forth of his own.
So what this debate will center on is if con can give a solid reason why the pro's claims are false then he wins, but if pro defends these claims then they deserve the win...
Now on the pro's argument

Pro first makes the claim that the United States is the current reigning superpower. But aside from just stating that he gives no evidence to support this claim. The only reasoning he gives is that other countries who seem like superpowers have economic troubles and a lack of unified military that make it impossible for them to be major player in world affairs.
But this argument at best constitutes a double standard and does not talk about the united states current economic problems(Rising National Debt[1] and Record High Unemployment[2]) and military woes.
I would also like to note that the pro did not give any sources for their example about the EU, so that can at best be interpreted as a false claim.

Now that the pro's current superpower has the been dethroned lets talk about the pro's limitations on the Con. The first of many sudden limitations is that the Con cannot discuss what currently is a superpower and may not dispute the united state's current position, but that is necessary in this debate to determine what is currently a superpower and who will be he next. I would also like to headline the point that pro made many rules about the resolution based upon the comments in order to limit what the con can and cannot do.(I will discuss this point again at the end)

Now lets look at the pro's accepted definition of a superpower

Superpower: A superpower is a state with a dominant position in the international system which has the ability to influence events and its own interests and project power on a worldwide scale to protect those interests.
Source-http://en.wikipedia.org...

This source does not limit what can be called a superpower, But I would like to note the pro gives random limitation to the con..
Now in this source, it discusses the possibility of the European union being a superpower, which immediately counter's the con's original claim that it(EU) wasn't and the other claim that international organizations cannot be considered a superpower. If my opponent does not allow for the acceptance of these international organizations then he is obviously breaking his own definition.

Now to my opponents current arguments

Contention 1-Militarism
Let's take a look at the military of these countries currently and compare them

China versus the united states[3]
2,810,000(China) and 1,366,000(United States)

Russia versus the united states[4]
1,520,000(Russia) and 1,366,000(United States)

India versus the united states[5]
1,303,000(India) and 1,366,000(United States)

Now lets relate this back to the claim of the united states being the superpower. In the military aspect the united states is clearly beat by both Russia and China, and barely beats India. Now if these two countries are currently besting the "best" the would that not make them the "best"

I would also like to highlight that this argument is not an argument,but actually a list of happenings from the world.
So lets take a look at them shall we? I will address the sources in chronological order, not in numerical order(Which would have been more easily to follow)

Source 1-The united states is ranked second in military spending, and I would also like to note that Actually there are only four countries in the top ten from Asia, Japan(4), Russia(8), India(5) and China(3). And also if china, Russia and India can surpass the united states with military and spend less money doesn't that already hint at economic and military superiority?
Source 9-Yes, this article talks about how China and Russia are increasing their arms spending(Weapons), but not direct military(which I have point out earlier are already superior)
Source 2-This is just a goal of china and does not have to do with militarism. But, this sources shows the amount of money China spent on it's military(160 billion) and the amount the united states spent which was 550 billion not included the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
Source 5-Again this is just one countries activities an was only done because the drone was monitoring Iran's nuclear facilities
Source 3-Another example about one country's activities.
Source 4-Just showing how the united states doesn't listen to countries that has a bigger military than itself.
Source 6-Now this one is a load of bull. Not only does the pro not give a brief explanation but also straw man's this article. This article talks about the resources in the arctic circle and that countries want to claim them using their military, but the countries have all gathered and are talking about it, as the article states.
Source 10-Another straw man of an article. The pro wants to say that all countries are becoming aggressive but this article on applies to china.

Now when you compare what the articles really say and what my opponent has claimed then you can see that they are two very different thing. So all of his arguments can be labeled as a deliberate misinterpretation of the information.

Contention 2: Economy

This brief contention can serve to back up my main point(Which I will explain in closing).
If the united states spends more money and has more money, why does china have a larger military?
Does this mean china is more economically efficient thus a better economy? Of course it does

Contention 3-Political
Another brief contention which I really want to drop because it follows the logical structure of a Non Sequiter as it does not make any sense in this resolution context, which the opponent wants to define as not having any groups of sets of nations having unity. So if this argument is allowed then this allows for the con to have nation groups in the world as its superpower. After all, aren't these groups just becoming politically closer to gain more power

Closing

For Starters this debate has been purposely limited by the pro based on the comments section. His limiting would have been fine if he would have label what this debate was going to be about instead of luring the con in with a basic debate and then limiting it based on comments and his own arguments. But taking a look at his arguments you see that they all contrast each other.

His claim that America is the only superpower is rebuffed by the fact that china and Russia both have a bigger military and smaller and better economies and both Russia and China spend less on their military and have better co-operation with their neighboring countries then the united states. Now with this since Russia and China are both current superpowers and argument concerning them can be throw in the trash. Only his statements about Iran can be held.

And his final argument about political unity can be addressed to nation groups such as the EU or NATO as he is essentially promoting nation groups by discussing a treaty that basically makes Japan and china a nation group.. The pro purposely made it so nation groups could not be include because it would be likely the con would pick the United Nations.(Which includes all of the countries so far in this debate) But if this argument is not drop then the con will use treaties from around the world to verify nation group unions and such.

Thank you





Sources-

[1]-http://zfacts.com...

[2]-http://data.bls.gov...

[3]-http://www.nationmaster.com...

[4]-http://www.nationmaster.com...

[5]-http://www.nationmaster.com...
Debate Round No. 2
Brenavia

Pro

Brenavia forfeited this round.
Cobo

Con

Extend all arguments!
Can someone make a meme for "Extend all arguments" based off of this one? Here's the link: http://assets.diylol.com...
Debate Round No. 3
Brenavia

Pro

Brenavia forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Brenavia 5 years ago
Brenavia
Sorry I was unable to debate this resolution further. I just now was able to us a computer, and I would advise that the vote vote Con. Thank you.
Posted by Cobo 5 years ago
Cobo
never mind what i said during round 3, I made the meme myself
Link: http://memegenerator.net...
Posted by Cobo 5 years ago
Cobo
I'm going to take a bit CX based approach...so bare with me here judges...
Posted by Jake-migkillertwo 5 years ago
Jake-migkillertwo
I'm very tempted to accept this challenge. There are strong reasons to doubt that China will be a superpower, but such reasons do not quite apply to India.
Posted by Jake-migkillertwo 5 years ago
Jake-migkillertwo
I'm very tempted to accept this challenge. There are strong reasons to doubt that China will be a superpower, but such reasons do not quite apply to India.
Posted by imabench 5 years ago
imabench
The pro should specify which countries are already superpowers or else this debate is going to become a bipolar argument of whether or not a country will be or already is a superpower
Posted by dan564891 5 years ago
dan564891
Do you agree that The E.U. is already a superpower ??
Posted by cbrhawk1 5 years ago
cbrhawk1
Could a Con position to this be the uncertainty of where the next superpower will come from? Or, that the next superpower won't come from Asia?
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