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# The number 4 is Even

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 Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point Started: 5/27/2011 Category: Miscellaneous Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period Viewed: 3,299 times Debate No: 16737
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Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
@Merda, No, you are not justified in jumping out of the context of the debate to make what is essentially a semantic argument. The clear meaning of the resolution was, "In the context of mathematics, the number 4 is even." Pro wins arguments without saying a word, because the resolution is confirmed by common knowledge. No references are required.

This is what inspired Shakespiere's "First, let's kill all the lawyers."
Posted by Ore_Ele 7 years ago
This entire thing should have been easily torn apart. When the definition of "truth" was presented, the first option was "Consistent with fact or reality" (the the second option also had the "fact or reality" bit). So in order to be true, we only need meet fact OR reality. So something can be true without being present in reality.

Other really bad inconsistencies, claiming that "4" is not real (and so not capable of being true), while using "440-490" as a defense. You can't logically claim that numbers are not real, and so false, then use numbers in your defense.

We can also go into the definition of "exist" and find that it also takes advantage of the word "or" saying that, "Have objective reality or being."
Posted by Merda 7 years ago
I was arguing over the truth value of the sentence. So if I was debating, "Naruto has yellow hair." I would be justified in arguing that the sentence is false even though Naruto does have yellow hair within the context of the manga. I was not arguing within the system of mathematics but more along the lines of philosophy of language.

Also Grape, your the first one to vote straight 7. You win!
Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
Mathematics is an axiomatic system. The resolution is asserted within that system, so it's truth is determined accordingly. This is within ordinary common knowledge. Con's arguments used definitions that do not apply. Pro loses conduct for accepting the debate and rejecting the definitions given as premises.

Consider the resolution, "Naruto can beat Batman." Try this: "Neither Naruto nor Batman are real. Therefore the assertion that one can beat the other is meaningless, and the Pro position fails." No, the premise of the debate is that it is set in a fantasy world where both characters exist and have the characteristics provided by their fictional biographical data. Posing a mathematical problem implies that one is inthe system of mathematics, where abstract objects exist and have wel-defined properties. You cannot pose a problem in a "world" and then claim the world does not exist.
Posted by headphonegut 7 years ago
That assertion cannot be proven to a certainty
Posted by Merda 7 years ago
@Reddawn's vote
Saying that numbers are abstract and also exist in the mind is contradictory. To be abstract means to not exist period. Santa Claus is an abstract character in that he does not exist in reality or actuality.
Posted by Merda 7 years ago
True.
Posted by headphonegut 7 years ago
brown noser :p
Posted by Merda 7 years ago
You guys should do some debates so you can vote for me.
Posted by headphonegut 7 years ago
bleh bleh
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