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kelstwa
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JTSmith
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The past decade is the worst case of human rights being threatened in the past century of the US.

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Started: 3/19/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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kelstwa

Pro

It seems that George Bush, either in his ignorance, or in a underlying hatred, has endangered the rights of every human being in the US.

His various acts and policies he has introduced and enforced have all lead up to jeopardizing the societies that we are all used to.

The Patriot Act is the key example.

Not only that, but the lack of enforcement/corruption in the various policies that are already in place have left detrimental effects on the people of the US. This is not only G.W.B.'s doing, but in a time of a faltering economy and nearly two recessions now (the first one being 4/5 years ago, but we quickly recovered), everyone seems to be willing to give up their rights and their consciences for either money or security.

This debate, I intend, is not only about what G.W.B.'s faults, but also society in general of today, and how the US people's human rights are being threatened by all means.
JTSmith

Con

This seems to be the feeling of a lot of people and I cannot for the life of me understand why...
Lets compare today to just 50 yrs ago.

Today: Men and women share a nearly equal position in our society. Blacks are very close to reaching the level of complete equality we have been fighting for for years. Race is becoming less and less of any importance. Women have even earned their right to abort their children within the first trimester. Acceptance of homosexuals is becoming vastly more common (many folks would argue that but...really... 10 yrs ago gay rallies were hardly common...today u hear about a new one every month. Just six months ago i wasn't sure about gay marriage and now im all for it. people are beginning to lighten up...)
They only human rights issues i can even see right now are are continued denial of gays their rights and the animosity toward anyone of middle-eastern decent...

50 years ago: Blacks could not attend the same schools as whites. More than 90% of the black population was unable to vote due to unjust Jim Crow laws. Civil rights activists legally gathered were attacked with fire-hoses and rocks. Sometimes even gunfire. Hate groups killed gays and outspoken blacks and jews. The state governments ordered segregation in all forms of daily life. National government ignored racial equality problems for fear of controversy. Freshly graduated boys were involuntarily sent to die in war. Women had few jobs outside of the home and had to suck up lesser pay checks. Gays could not even let on about their orientation for fear of persecution and even physical harm.
I cant even think of anything good about civil rights 50 years ago.

We've got it sooo good. People need to stop complaining.
Debate Round No. 1
kelstwa

Pro

kelstwa forfeited this round.
JTSmith

Con

I guess she didnt have time.
Anyway...
My points still stand. No chance this is the worst decade for human rights in the last hundred years
Debate Round No. 2
kelstwa

Pro

kelstwa forfeited this round.
JTSmith

Con

***Just in case anyone misses it, check the comments for 2nd round arguments***

My point still stands. I would argue that the entire 1st half of this century at least, was worse off then we are now. To see my points, read my previous arguments.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by kelstwa 8 years ago
kelstwa
jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezus

people!
chill!

and stop comparing my profile to my debates!
:P
Posted by Solarman1969 8 years ago
Solarman1969
"You sir, are a retard."

Oh boy , coming from a cetifiable genius like you I guess I better believe it

ha ha ha

liberalism is a DANGEROUS mental disorder
Posted by psynthesizer 8 years ago
psynthesizer
Solarman, you state that liberalism is a mental disorder. I assume you are conservative.

Well then, I must assume that conservatism is related to mental retardation. My evidence? Look upon the profile of the young debater you just mocked: http://www.debate.org...

Word for word here on Pro's profile:

"I am supporting "John McCain (R)" in the 2008 U.S. Presidential election."

Let's look at what you just stated in your ill-thought out response:

"convincing everyone that McCain is the source of all the worlds ills-"

I submit to you sir, that you are mentally incapable of simple logic. You sir, are a retard.

Good day!
Posted by Solarman1969 8 years ago
Solarman1969
Another moron with BDS

Bush Deragement Syndrome

the problem for the liberal schmucks is now Bush is not running anymore so they will have to start all over convincing everyone that McCain is the source of all the worlds ills-

NOT!

liberalism is a mental disorder
Posted by psynthesizer 8 years ago
psynthesizer
o.O

What year hs? and...why? Even most of the activists haven't read through the entire thing; just the more controversial parts O.o

pf? win.
Posted by kelstwa 8 years ago
kelstwa
i only wanted to debate this cuz it came up in class. :P

i agree with evan.

and yes, we had to read and highlight the whole thing of the patriot act. it was painful.
Posted by Evan_MacIan 8 years ago
Evan_MacIan
I'm surprised the Japanese internment camps weren't brought up. That was easily the biggest human rights violation.
Posted by psynthesizer 8 years ago
psynthesizer
eh, this is a weird topic to debate. Why? Because the thoughts and views of people change and adapt under different conditions, social and political.
It's all relative...

And not to mock the Pro side, but have you actually read the PATRIOT Act? That act is 400 pages plus! Sadly, the only reason it passed through Congress without much thought is the simple fact that none of the members wanted to read through 400 pages of legal-ese.

Discrimination is basically informational asymmetry between two or more players that results in uninformed decisions on incomplete knowledge.
Posted by mjg283 8 years ago
mjg283
Human rights are more threatened now than at ANY time in the last century? Now, the US is far from perfect, but that's absurd. Minorities have it worse now than during segregation? Women have it worse now than before they were given the right to vote?
Posted by JTSmith 8 years ago
JTSmith
ok i se ur argument now...
heres mine

1. Are blacks being firehosed on the street? Are random blacks being lynched? Are white people being hit by drive-bys for associating with black people? Do most black people have the ability to vote? Are blacks being forced to use seperate facilities?
Those are my justifications. If blacks are just getting profiled then they are doing pretty well for themselves.

2. Discrimination has EVERYTHING to do with human rights. Discrimination is a solid violation of human rights. If you want more evidence than just racial disrimination then how about the McCarthy Accusations? Dozens and Dozens of people were shunned from society and some even arrested simply based on McCarthy's accusation that they were communist. Also, if you wanna go as far back as the revolutionary war, how about the Alien and Sedition Acts, laws that made it illegal to speak badly about our president and other leaders. How about the laws during WW2 that forced anyone of Japanese decent to relocate to work camps?
People listenind in on random phone calls is nothing compared to some events in the past.

Lastly, i wanna talk about your quote:

"George W. Bush violated federal laws against torture, against spying on Americans without judicial approval, against due process of law and habeas corpus in arresting Americans without charges, imprisoning them and limited their access to attorneys. He committed a massive war of aggression, under false pretenses, violating again and again treaties such as the Geneva Conventions, the UN Charter, federal statutes and the Constitution. "

-Im not a huge bush fun but these are unfair accusations. Bush didnt torture people. Soldiers did. Bush did no approve spying without approval, thats legally impossible. Ralph Nader makes him out to be a monster. If i had more characters I'd go on...
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