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John-Locke
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Jagbag
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The people of the world no longer have frontiers left to explore.

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Started: 1/13/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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John-Locke

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i'll start right away with just this... where else is there? we've mapped the entire globe and into space. we've gone beneath the ocean and out of our own Galaxy. from north to south, east to west, we've seen it, or we've done it. we know why we do things, we know what makes other people think, we've explored not only the physical world but our own minds and everything else... what could you possibly do that wouldn't be new?

you cant make a hit sitcom no one else has seen or done yet, you cant write a novel without alluding to several books and ideas given to the world already, movies and even songs fall under the same categories as all the ideas before hand.

the world is our oyster.. we've grabbed it, and stolen its pearl. its not necessary a terrible thing. we now have a better understanding of the world, and how to do things. but there's no fight really to look into.

where can you go?
Jagbag

Con

The human brain is a largely unexplored mass of cells. We have no idea what most of it does, and how it does it.
The Pacific ocean is a largely unexplored mass of water. We have no idea what most of it looks like near the bottom, and what wonders it contains.

Notice something similar between the two? Yes, they are both largely unexplored masses of something, and we have no idea what most of them do/look like. These are physical frontiers, and they can't be disregarded.

Most of science is made up of theory, not fact. Science itself is an everlasting pursuit of the horizon, and it is never truly reached until it is proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt to be true. So far, the only things proven as such are the most basic and geometric of scientific facts and principles; hell, not even the origin of our cells is definitively proven yet.

Which brings me to another frontier: the past. Where we come from, how we got here, and how many monkeys we had to evolve from are all areas of research being pursued currently. And just to name another frontier, how about the microscopic world? The Large Hadron Collider being built is only one more step to discovering what we are made of.

It would be fruitless and everlastingly time consuming to keep naming more frontiers because the simple fact is this: as long as there is science, there is a frontier. As long as there is theory, there is mystery. As long as there is progress, there is pursuit.
Debate Round No. 1
John-Locke

Pro

the problem i see with this, is that there ARE theories. whilst only theories... they prove manny things in the world. they make sense and are often held as fact. they're strongly held and given to students as fact. we build off them and understand more and more just using these ideas. if one theory isn't true several hundred ideas on a topic are all off.

the human mind however has been looked into... 'its not the cells that we don't understand but the way they work and move, how we understand it's inner workings in regards to what makes it tick.

but in that very regard. we do understand the brain, we know where people are going to think, and how a specific brains will come to specific conclusions.

as for the Pacific oceans, we've been exploring most of it for a good number of years since we've started using pressure resilient robotic-subs to map and chart the bottom of the sea along with the study of underwater earthquakes.
Jagbag

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Even though we might have already reached some of these "frontiers", such as the aforementioned deep sea and space, we haven't thoroughly explored them yet, and once we accomplish this exploration it would be suitable not to deem them as frontiers anymore. After all, The American West stopped being the frontier only once we had it fully settled and kicked out all the natives. We've yet to even come close to fully exploring the deepest areas of the ocean, and uncover the most intricate secrets of the human mind.

What you fail to realize about space, as well, is that it's still a frontier. Though we may not be star-skipping any time soon, we still have the immediate solar system to conquer for our own. First man on Mars, anyone? Plus, if we progress far enough, in time we may in fact be venturing beyond this solar system. There will always be new frontiers as we progress farther and farther in our scientific achievements.

Your point about the sitcoms is true, I'll give you that. However, despite the overwhelming quantity of rehash present in the media, original content is still making the airwaves. Breakthroughs in special effects and visuals in the movies and video game industry, new takes on comedy and drama with HBO and Showtime original shows, the radically original method of plot progression employed in Cloverfield; the list goes on.

I'd also like to touch upon video games a little bit, as I wrap up my argument. Up until recently, in video games, we've only been able to see and hear. But now we've broken through barriers and created motion and touch sensors, and extensive internet capabilities. Who knows what brave new world of video gaming lies in our future? That's one frontier you cannot ignore.
Debate Round No. 2
John-Locke

Pro

John-Locke forfeited this round.
Jagbag

Con

It seems daft to debate myself, so I'll pass the round.

Forty five more characters over here, ha ha!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Jagbag 9 years ago
Jagbag
Eating is overrated. I download all my nutrients now.
Posted by John-Locke 9 years ago
John-Locke
no fair! i was swamped with congress stuff for two full days...well that and that whole school and eating thing...
Posted by AntiPatriot 9 years ago
AntiPatriot
The brain really IS still a frontier. People don't know WHY or HOW a lot of drugs work--they simply know (by trial and error, or dumb luck) that they DO work. Take LSD for example. No one knows whether you hallucinate because LSD blocks sensory perception so your mind creates its own, or if it simply adds to the perceptions we have already. No one can describe exactly what is happening in our conscious or unconscious mind when we are on LSD. That's just one example. If you think we KNOW so much, then why is there still so much question in the world? We don't KNOW anything. We simply make observations and through study, we can make good conjectures.
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