The positive review [from a poetry site] of this poem Gana Chut is very accurate
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"That was shockingly amazing! I love the Irony between the name ....and the imagery of the seduction. The poem was transportive, I felt that I was there in the room with the lovers, experiencing the awe of the man as he worshipped the wonder of the woman's sex. Good work and very unique writing.
1. The poetry as it is placed on the scribd page is almost completely unreadable because you have placed low quality images of rugs behind the text which contrasts poorly with the black text. I also question whether or not you own the copyright to said rug images which might be an infringement of copyright policy and grounds for having the work removed.
2. The refrain "piss flaps" which is punctuated repeatedly by references of having one's partner urinate on them is frankly disgusting to anyone who is not interested in water sports. The whole poem seems to be obsessed with female genitalia with very little scope for anything else like the location or the emotional attitude or circumstances of the two lovers aside from their lust.
3. The "review" that you quote is actually just a comment posted on Wattpad, a site whose main demographic group is teenagers and preteens. The content of your poem could possibly cross from erotic into pornographic, making me question whether or not this work constitutes a violation of their terms of service.
4. All remarks here are subjective regarding the truthfulness of a comment given on a poem. I believe that I have successfully demonstrated a counter to that.
"3. The "review" that you quote is actually just a comment posted on Wattpad, a site whose main demographic group is teenagers and preteens."
What are saying the likes of teens and preteens have no value
if you are then how can you explain the success of the harry potter series of books-are you saying harry potter books are rubbish because teens and preteens them
I am not saying that the opinions of teenagers and preteens are of no account. I will say that their opinion of what writing deserves merit and which writing does not should not be used as a reliable standard. I think that based on sales, a majority of teen females prefer Twilight to Phillip K. Dick. I think that even though the comparisons of two books has to be made from a subjective viewpoint- Do Robots Dream of Electric Sheep? Is superior to Twilight in many ways. Therefore teenagers might not be a reliable judge of what is good and what is not.
Furthermore, you are out of luck if you want to try to prove that your writing is objectively "amazing." Personally I felt something a bit more like disgust, which might be a more normative response to a poem that refers to a woman's genitals as "piss flaps."
Overall I find the poem unnecessarily vulgar. That is my subjective opinion and the opinion of many others if we look at your "times viewed" and compare it to the number of people who liked it enough to give it a "vote".
I think that you have already lost this debate- and while I respect your desire to discuss poetry and other writing forms, I think that debate.org is perhaps the wrong place to do it since it deals more with objective truths than subjective opinions. There are plenty of writing communities and forums out there where these questions would fit better I think.
but after all his ranting it comes down to this
"Overall I find the poem unnecessarily vulgar. That is my subjective opinion and the opinion of many others if we look at your "times viewed" and compare it to the number of people who liked it enough to give it a "vote".
"Overall I find the poem unnecessarily vulgar"
but that has nothing to do with the argument I claim ie the positive review is accurate
the poem may be vulgar but that has nothing to do with the claim the positive review is accurate
"That was shockingly amazing! I love the Irony between the name ....and the imagery of the seduction. The poem was transportive, I felt that I was there in the room with the lovers, experiencing the awe of the man as he worshipped the wonder of the woman's sex. Good work and very unique writing."
con is allowed to have his subjective opinion but just saying the poem is vulgar does refute my claim that the positive review is accurate
thus con has not shown why he has taken the con position and refuted my claim
all he has said is the poem is vulgar
Limp-shrimp forfeited this round.
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Vote Placed by ModusTollens 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct to Pro for the forfeit. S/G to Con because s/he bothered to use grammar. Argumentst to Con because A) the proffered "review" is a comment, not a review, and B) Con's comments concerning the scope of the poem are correct.
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