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Truth_seeker
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neverBSAD
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The power of Satan cannot harm true believers

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Started: 10/16/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Truth_seeker

Pro

Title says it all. I will argue from the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures to prove my point.

First Round Acceptance
neverBSAD

Con

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
Truth_seeker

Pro

Any attempts made by those working for Satan shall not harm believers. The only exception is when God wants to teach us something about ourselves such as in Job, but even then, believers cannot be hurt without God's permission.

Deut. 28:7

"7 The Lord will cause your enemies who rise against you to be defeated before your face; they shall come out against you one way and flee before you seven ways."

Psalm 3

1 "Lord, how they have increased who trouble me!
Many are they who rise up against me.
2 Many are they who say of me,
There is no help for him in God. Selah
3 But You, O Lord, are a shield for me,
My glory and the One who lifts up my head.
4 I cried to the Lord with my voice,
And He heard me from His holy hill. Selah
5 I lay down and slept;
I awoke, for the Lord sustained me.
6 I will not be afraid of ten thousands of people
Who have set themselves against me all around.
7 Arise, O Lord;
Save me, O my God!
For You have struck all my enemies on the cheekbone;
You have broken the teeth of the ungodly.
8 Salvation belongs to the Lord.
Your blessing is upon Your people. Selah"

Psalm 91

1 "He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High
Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
2 I will say of the Lord, He is my refuge and my fortress;
My God, in Him I will trust.
3 Surely He shall deliver you from the snare of the fowler
And from the perilous pestilence.
4 He shall cover you with His feathers,
And under His wings you shall take refuge;
His truth shall be your shield and buckler.
5 You shall not be afraid of the terror by night,
Nor of the arrow that flies by day,
6 Nor of the pestilence that walks in darkness,
Nor of the destruction that lays waste at noonday.
7 A thousand may fall at your side,
And ten thousand at your right hand;
But it shall not come near you.
8 Only with your eyes shall you look,
And see the reward of the wicked.
9 Because you have made the Lord, who is my refuge,
Even the Most High, your dwelling place,
10 No evil shall befall you,
Nor shall any plague come near your dwelling;
11 For He shall give His angels charge over you,
To keep you in all your ways.
12 In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.
13 You shall tread upon the lion and the cobra,
The young lion and the serpent you shall trample underfoot.
14 Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore I will deliver him;
I will set him on high, because he has known My name.
15 He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble;
I will deliver him and honor him.
16 With long life I will satisfy him,
And show him My salvation.

There are many Psalms describing the protection of the righteous from evil.

Any attempts made to curse believers or torment them with evil will utterly fail. Neither will anything that will hinder their salvation. John 10:27-29

" 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father"s hand."

Mark 16:17

"These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages."

Therefore believers have authority to cast out demons since Satan has already been defeated.

Luke 10:19

"Look, I have given you authority over all the power of the enemy, and you can walk among snakes and scorpions and crush them. Nothing will injure you."

That being said, nothing done shall spiritually injure believers.
neverBSAD

Con

neverBSAD forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Truth_seeker

Pro

rest my case
neverBSAD

Con

neverBSAD forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Truth_seeker

Pro

Rest my case
neverBSAD

Con

neverBSAD forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Truth_seeker

Pro

I rest my case
neverBSAD

Con

neverBSAD forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by cheyennebodie 3 years ago
cheyennebodie
auto........ On the one hand you say that Job was attacked because he was top dog. Then on the other hand you say he was a myth.

YOU are the one that brought up Job to give a point. Not me. And then because you did not know or read what actually happened, you say it was a myth. Sounds an awful lot like hypocracy.

God gave Job back What he could. And it was not God's fault that Job did not walk in faith in those sacrifices. It was Job's.
Posted by autodidact 3 years ago
autodidact
because its a myth... it was because job was god's number one follower that he was the target. and doubling ones wealth does not bring 10 children back from the grave. nor does it help all the dead servants.
Posted by cheyennebodie 3 years ago
cheyennebodie
auto.......If that were true. Then why did God double his wealth ?Once God got his thinking straightened out.
Posted by autodidact 3 years ago
autodidact
it would seem pro just lost the debate. and in a very dishonest way.

if the proposition is an absolute then you cant in round 2 say well Job doesnt count. if you wish to claim this then you need to make it part of the debate foundation. further more any example that could be raised is then dismissable by the same logic used for Job.

@cheyennebodie, no the thing that got job in trouble was that he was top dog.
Job 1:8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Posted by cheyennebodie 3 years ago
cheyennebodie
Yes.Have you? Job was no model for a born-again believer. The thing that got Job in trouble was his fear-ridden mouth.He said, " only those things I feared greatly came on me."It took God later to come to Job and say, " You have spoken wrongly of me." The thing Job said that was a lie was, " the Lord gives and the Lord takes away."

But we have to not be too harsh with Job. He was not a born-again man. He even had very little of the old covenant to walk in. All he had were those blood sacrifices. And they would have kept satan at bay if they were done in faith, not fear.
Posted by A341 3 years ago
A341
Have you read the book of Job?
Posted by cheyennebodie 3 years ago
cheyennebodie
He can harm believers up to the point they are fully persuaded in what God has promised, he is able to perform.Like Job. Satan could only harm Job in those things he feared greatly.
Posted by autodidact 3 years ago
autodidact
I think I could win this even as an atheist. please define "harm".
Posted by vwv 3 years ago
vwv
Lmfao God gave Satan what powers he has. This is a joke. Stop believing in these lies.
Posted by KingAtheist 3 years ago
KingAtheist
There is no Satan. You are a fool!
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Vote Placed by Blade-of-Truth 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct - Pro. Con forfeited every round aside from acceptance, such behavior is rarely acceptable in any debate setting. Arguments - Pro. Con failed to present any counter-arguments which left Pro standing unchallenged. Clear win for Pro.
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